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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #60 - Mar 15^th, 2017 at 5:42am Today I will make the struts.
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Steve Mosher Club Member Offline LastOn: Apr 3^rd, 2024 Join: Mar 24^th, 2010 Posts: 461 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 4	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #61 - Mar 15^th, 2017 at 1:09pm Looking good, Al!
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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #63 - Mar 15^th, 2017 at 8:44pm A few loose ends to tie up before the struts are cut. Here are a few shots of the flaps so you can get an idea on how this going to look.
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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #64 - Mar 15^th, 2017 at 8:48pm These little guys will keep the wings from falling off in flight. The knurled end will be glue into the center wing
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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #65 - Mar 15^th, 2017 at 8:53pm The drawing in the back is a guide for the shape. There seem to be a lot of differences in the gear but this basically it.
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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #66 - Mar 15^th, 2017 at 9:00pm The stuff looks great in the up position but the down is presenting a new challenge. The drawings show the angle the gear goes on but in order to achieve this I'm going to have to tilt the retracts outward. This is a problem.... My need to cut a different truinion block.
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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #68 - Mar 16^th, 2017 at 5:54am That's not the problem. The gear need to be mounted at such a preposterous angle to get it to look right. It will work but I'm worried that it will weaken everything. Not to mention it may stick out a bit.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109
Reply #69 - Mar 16^th, 2017 at 8:17pm

Al:

Your model looks fantastic; seriously fantastic.

The inner flaps on a 109 have always fascinated me. Looks like you are making a real effort to correctly replicate them.

The outer flaps...well...I really gotta drop by to see how you built them; they look great.

The struts; oh my, don't they look good. The 109 undercarriage has been pilloried in many assessments of Prof. Dr. Messershcmitt's design...so the extended struts always grab my attention.

And the angle of the gear in the down position....I understand the challenge facing you. I'll look through what little documentation I have on the 109 to see if I can at least help with the end state.

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109
Reply #71 - Mar 17^th, 2017 at 5:56am

MkIX wrote on Mar 16^th, 2017 at 8:17pm:

Al:

Your model looks fantastic; seriously fantastic.

The inner flaps on a 109 have always fascinated me. Looks like you are making a real effort to correctly replicate them.

The outer flaps...well...I really gotta drop by to see how you built them; they look great.

The struts; oh my, don't they look good. The 109 undercarriage has been pilloried in many assessments of Prof. Dr. Messershcmitt's design...so the extended struts always grab my attention.

And the angle of the gear in the down position....I understand the challenge facing you. I'll look through what little documentation I have on the 109 to see if I can at least help with the end state.

Thanks for the kind words Mike. I'll take any info and doc you have. It all helps.

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109
Reply #72 - Mar 17^th, 2017 at 6:10am

waverider wrote on Mar 17^th, 2017 at 1:00am:

Angle axle to strut is 99 degrees
For more info contact Ottawa Canadian aviation and space museum. Ask for measurements from their bf109 F-4

Thanks for that info Brian. That's what the drawing I have shows. I have to cheat the angle in a small amount or the retracts are going to pop out of the wing. Because the struts are a few degrees in, the axels are actually at 102 deg. All and all it doesn't look too bad. There just set in there so the left one is a little off.

Bare in mind, every thing is loose and just set in there.

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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #73 - Mar 17^th, 2017 at 6:15am Also The wheels are very wrong. I order a set of vintage wheels from Williams Bro that will do the job nicely. There a little narrower and although are not perfect there not bad without breaking the bank.
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Glen Club Member Offline Forum User LastOn: Today Join: Aug 5^th, 2011 Posts: 441 Reputation: 2 Sackville Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 2 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #74 - Mar 17^th, 2017 at 2:49pm Al, if it's the narrow set, I think John may have a set at the shop.
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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #75 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 6:01am Glen wrote on Mar 17^th, 2017 at 2:49pm: Al, if it's the narrow set, I think John may have a set at the shop. Thanks Glen. I'll check it out.
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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #76 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 6:04am Well here's my solution to the gear angle problem. Should be problem free. Machined up this piece of plate and will cut it into strips.
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Yak Man Club Member Galactic Twinkie Jet Pilot Extraordinaire Offline Forum User LastOn: Apr 21^st, 2024 Join: Mar 23^rd, 2010 Posts: 1,000 Reputation: 0 Gender: Zodiac sign: Awards: 5 Mood:	Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 Reply #78 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 6:12am The angle still isn't quite right. going to machine a little bit more off the plate.
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