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Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Aug 14^th, 2016 at 3:11pm

Hey guys, gonna be stuck at home for a couple of weeks so I ordered this baby to keep me busy..
http://www.horizonhobby.com/product/storefronts/almost-ready-to-fly/hangar-9-bra...

any help with the DLE20 installation would be appreciated Silly Aviator

http://www.dle-engines.com/dleg0020.html

Cool

should a 14oz fuel tank be sufficient, an what kind of flight time would this give me? Huh

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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #2 - Aug 14^th, 2016 at 3:38pm

Don't know the flight times on that engine Jack, but I read the comments on the Hanger 9 site. Change the hardware (clevises and tail wheel) and make sure you wick some thick CS into every joint you can get to. Landing gear plate seems to be the usual "land 4 times it comes apart" item common with so many ARF's

Looks like a good plane..

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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #3 - Aug 14^th, 2016 at 3:55pm

Jack, mount the engine like a regular glow engine. Take the ignition and wrap it in neoprene or foam, that's all it takes.
Mine runs so good it isn't funny. I would recommend a quick break in of a couple of heat / cool cycles, just a few minutes each run with a little extra oil (I think they recommend 20:1) and away you go.

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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #5 - Aug 14^th, 2016 at 4:03pm

Hi Jack,

Nice to see you make the leap....
With gas power you will need to always consider vibration when installing your equipment.

- use blue loctite on all engine mounting hardware

-when using manual choke the pushrod comes out the front cowl (easiest way) or you can go with a servo to choke it.

-you will need a means to kill the ignition remotely ie; opti kill
switch (electronic switch between ignition and RX) Thunderbolt
sells them. This is a major safety consideration. Someday you
will be Really Happy you have it.....

-make sure engine/oil mix as per manufacturer's instructions
for break in.

-the cap/plug in the gas tank needs to be gas compatible.
confirm that it is. If not, Dubro (brown) is gas comp.

-decide if you want a 2 or 3 line fuel system for the tank. If
you choose 2 you will need a T fitting cut into the carb line for
fuelling.

- You will need a fuel DOT. (fitting at the fuelling point).

-Separate battery pack for the ignition. Some guys use an IBEC
which shares RX batts some guys keep ignition batts
separate from RX

-RTV silicone for muffler gasket. Fibre gasket promotes the
loosening of the mounting bolts. If loosens, re-tighten when
engine is hot. Use blue loctite as well

A rule of thumb on gas consumption is an ounce a minute. Of course this depends on how savage you get with the throttle.....

Of course there are other things but you will pick this up when flying with others at the field.

Have Fun......

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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #6 - Aug 15^th, 2016 at 6:07am

Wow, thanks for the info guys, definitely going to use two batteries and will get the engine kill switch.
Sandy I also read the RCGroups thread and will beef up all the bad spots, tail wheel is also a problem.

Glen, I suppose the insulation is for the vibration good point, also have ordered a metal engine mount .

Dan, do you use the silicone instead of the gasget? Will go with the 3 line fuel tank and already have the the gas stopper...

I'll keep you posted

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JackDD Club Member Offline Forum User LastOn: Today Join: Apr 25^th, 2010 Posts: 541 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 2 Mood:	Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20 Reply #11 - Aug 19^th, 2016 at 10:26am Some beefing up with gorilla glue...
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JackDD Club Member Offline Forum User LastOn: Today Join: Apr 25^th, 2010 Posts: 541 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 2 Mood:	Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20 Reply #12 - Aug 19^th, 2016 at 10:27am Ailerons already glued in thanks Hanger 9...
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JackDD Club Member Offline Forum User LastOn: Today Join: Apr 25^th, 2010 Posts: 541 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 2 Mood:	Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20 Reply #13 - Aug 19^th, 2016 at 10:29am finishing Gorilla process now on to Varnish, actually some already applied, but more would be better...
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JackDD Club Member Offline Forum User LastOn: Today Join: Apr 25^th, 2010 Posts: 541 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 2 Mood:	Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20 Reply #14 - Aug 20^th, 2016 at 10:46am Here's the first question, should I file out the engine mount so as to line up with existing holes, need about a 1/4' or drill new engine mount holes with a new firewall piece of plywood?
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JackDD Club Member Offline Forum User LastOn: Today Join: Apr 25^th, 2010 Posts: 541 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 2 Mood:	Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20 Reply #16 - Aug 20^th, 2016 at 4:13pm Very Diplomatic of you Dan... yes your right, there is way to much difference in the mounts to do this Any other way
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JackDD Club Member Offline Forum User LastOn: Today Join: Apr 25^th, 2010 Posts: 541 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 2 Mood:	Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20 Reply #18 - Aug 21^st, 2016 at 9:44am Yes Mike, I have the right engine and a beautiful plane, but the engine mounts are a problem.. Glen what engine mount did you use to install your motors? The cowl clearance is 5.5" and the engine length is greater than that
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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #19 - Aug 21^st, 2016 at 11:10am

One way to address that Jack is to cut an opening in the firewall large enough to take the engine and mounts. Make a plywood spacer ( hollow ring/hollow rectangle) around the hole thick enough to go inside deep enough to give you the clearance, and put a new fire wall on the BACK of the spacer. When the engine is mounted on this firewall it will stick out less.... Huh Sign

don't know if that makes any sense at all....

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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #20 - Aug 21^st, 2016 at 1:16pm

Jack, this model is designed around their (Hangar 9) Evolution engines. Their carburetors are at the front of their gas engines just like the glow fuel engines.
With the DL as you obviously know the back mounting makes them too long for the design of the mounting system.

You haven't mentioned by how much the engine is too long.....

From what I can see, there is no way to mount the DL unless you consider Sandy's suggestion or a variation of that.

Can you post a pic of the inside of the firewall area so we can see what is behind it?

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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #22 - Aug 21^st, 2016 at 3:01pm

Sorry I'm so slow responding Jack, I was out at the camp all weekend.
It doesn't matter which mount you use Jack, but don't forget you want to have the prop hub set to whatever distance from the firewall the instructions call for so the cowl will fit properly.

I've cut mounts a little to make them shorter or put plywood "shims" behind them to lengthen them to get the desired distance.

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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #23 - Aug 21^st, 2016 at 5:27pm

Thanks Glen, I did manage to use the kit supplied mount but did grind off some material so that the carb would fit and be clear at the rear, also managed to keep the desired firewall cowl length to within a 1/4"
The cowl is pre drilled so will adjust the 1/4" there.. Cool

This turned out to be a lot easier with the info from Dan and Mark...
Thanks guys...

Now the tail wheel Shocked

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JackDD Club Member Offline Forum User LastOn: Today Join: Apr 25^th, 2010 Posts: 541 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 2 Mood:	Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20 Reply #25 - Aug 22^nd, 2016 at 2:26pm I seem to have missed a step... Wow, seems like the engine was simple after all, but what a Beautiful job Hanger 9 has done with this arf.. This was made for me.... now where are those servos..
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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #29 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:02pm

Some more detail of the cowl mounting, that green on the prop spinner is just reflection paint is still there.
I think I will drill another access hole for the muffler bolts, past experience... Roll Eyes

anything else I'm missing there?
Got some more pointers from Dan will follow them all, have the carb spring and idle bolts out already, as per Dans advice...

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Re: Hanger 9 Sbach 342 with DLE20
Reply #30 - Aug 23^rd, 2016 at 2:56pm

Jack, remember do not remove the spring just trip the small wire tip off the cam arm. Leave the spring intact and on the shaft it keeps tension on the throttle shaft and not on the open close movement.

You won't be able to see the throttle movement very well as the carb is mounted close to the firewall so, ensure your throttle servo is moving correctly. Open is open and close is closed.
Some radios often need the throttle servo channel reversed to match the correct carburetor movement.

hope this is helpful.

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