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dano Aerobatic Pilot The Avon Splish Splash!! Offline Forum User LastOn: Feb 25^th, 2020 Join: Jul 7^th, 2011 Posts: 429 Reputation: 0 Kingston, NS Gender: Awards: 2 Mood:	Build Thread 33% Pawnee Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:13pm I will be adding some pics as I go along(soon). This aircraft is going to be a working model,no freeloading here..... Will be equiped with smoke, and water sprayers. It's a heavy lifter so large gas and smoke/water tanks won't be an issue. Will commence posting soon.
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Re: Build Thread 33% Pawnee
Reply #2 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 3:23pm

Hangar 9 33% Pawnee Specs;
-130" wingspan
-94" fuselage
-scale landing gear
-35-38 lbs.

Equipment being used;
-7955's all around except 5625 throttle and 5645's flaps
-Aurora 9 RX
-4, A123 (2300)mah batts,2 for redundant system,1 for ignition, 1 for pump.
-Zenoah 80cc twin/electronic ignition

As you can see, I'm not intending to share any of the batteries with other functions. Weight is not an issue with this heavy lifter.
Pics to follow;

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Steve Mosher Club Member Online LastOn: Today Join: Mar 24^th, 2010 Posts: 461 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 4	Re: Build Thread 33% Pawnee Reply #8 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 9:38pm Nice looking plane, Dan.!
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Re: Build Thread 33% Pawnee
Reply #11 - Aug 17^th, 2012 at 4:25pm

Thanks guys, looking forward to the smoke and water...
Experimenting with spray bar inside muffler rather then a straight stream.
So far, lots of smoke! more then I anticipated.

The water system will take more thought getting the velocity at the nozzles just right. Suspect many dry runs oops, I should say wet runs to get it right.
Hoping I don't have to go more then a 32oz. tank for water as I want to have a reasonable spray duration...
If I have to I will, there's plenty of room.

Will post pics on how I fabricated the muffler spray bar.

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Steve Mosher Club Member Online LastOn: Today Join: Mar 24^th, 2010 Posts: 461 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 4	Re: Build Thread 33% Pawnee Reply #16 - Aug 28^th, 2012 at 9:42am Great looking plane. Couple of questions / comments: 1) Are the wing struts removable for transport? 2) Do you really think the plane will steer correctly on the ground with an ESM tail wheel? I thnik you should at least grind the ESM logo off.
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Reply #25 - Aug 31^st, 2012 at 9:43am

More progress on fuel/smoke/water system.
All fuel/smoke/water tubing identified for easy maintenance and troubleshooting if necessary.
The water tube is T'd off the smoke line going into the mufflers.
That same water tube will run backward to exit out the bottom of the fuselage to the spray bars on the wing (to be fabricated this winter).

The smoke fluid will be clamped/valved off (if I can get 1/8" ) inline valves?? when the water will be used.
For the smoke I will Y off the tubing after the T for water to seperate the lines (one for each muffler).

The key is to properly isolate the systems (water/smoke) from one another.
It will be an either or system, not simultaneous functions.

If anyone knows of a source for small 1/8" inline valves please let me know.

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Steve Mosher Club Member Online LastOn: Today Join: Mar 24^th, 2010 Posts: 461 Reputation: 0 Gender: Awards: 4	Re: Build Thread 33% Pawnee Reply #30 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 1:29pm You're making great progress, Dan. At this rate, you should have time to rebuild ny 100cc Extra that needs some legs. It's interesting that they anticipate adding tail weight. Great setup with tray already cut out. Can't wait to see it in the air.
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Re: Build Thread 33% Pawnee
Reply #31 - Sep 10^th, 2012 at 8:58am

Don't anticipate needing to install the batteries back there.
It's probably needed if a 100cc engine is being used.
I don't think that aft battery compartment will be needed when using the 80/85cc engines .

Won't have too much of the winter to work on it as we will be away for most of it. Figured I would get most of the grunt work done and do the spray/smoke system afterwards

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Reply #32 - Sep 26^th, 2012 at 1:05pm

Started the design for the hangars/tubing on the trailing edge of wing.
Will be making 4 for each wing half.
The design I'm using should not compromise the air flow over the wing or the ailerons and flaps.

Could not source ball valves small enough to use with gas tubing.
As a result,I'll need to make some modifications to the initial setup by using Festo fittings and compatible tubing.
(Festo fittings cannot be used with Tygon or silicone)

Will be using a ball valve for smoke fluid and also one for the water. As it's going to be an either or system sharing the same tank, (smoke or water) not both simultaneously, I will need to shut off the smoke tubing valve when using water and open the water system valve. The reverse will be used when using water.

Each system (water & smoke) will have a dedicated check valve(s) (Festo fitting).
If these systems function as intended, I may add a second tank and pump to operate them simultaneously, time will tell........

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Reply #50 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 7:23am

Hi Dan
Now I can see why you need a trailer. Maybe well have to get Bruce to build us a ramp this summer to get them up of the ground to service them.
Looks real good.
Amazing how many hours it actually takes to get one of these in the air. I have never checked but it sure seems a long time from start to finished. And then when you have made a change and decided you have a better way ,you can spend most of the winter working on the project.
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