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Message started by MkIX on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:01pm

Title: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:01pm
A while back I started work on a model to replace my Ultra Sport 60. It came to a full and complete stop in a very short distance...very very short.

I wanted something that would fly as well as the Ultra Sport and be as easy to build.  So, I decided on another Ultra Sport.  That being said, and not being willing to leave well enough alone, I decided to jazz up the wing by adding flaps and retracts.  I left the fuse alone...dull.

I took some pictures as I built the wing.  I didn't bother when building the fuse.

Here is a picture of the mods and reinforcement of the ribs in order to accommodate the LADO retracts.  Thanks to Al C for help making the adapter for the Robart struts.



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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:10pm
Here are a few shots of the wing temporarily pinned together with the retracts installed and working.  Love the retract delay.
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:13pm
I think I need to post smaller pictures :(

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Steve Mosher on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:25pm
Nice! Retracts work well in an Ultra Sport - more speed!! ;)

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Jan 24th, 2016 at 9:26pm
Geez Mike, you need to post smaller pictures  :-/

Ultra with retracts and flaps - going to be sweet...

No epoxy paint I hope?? >:(

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Jan 25th, 2016 at 6:10am
Going to be one great flying smoker plane. One Ultra-sports + retracts = go like hell. :)

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:42am
I'm hoping that it will look nice and clean with it's gear tucked up...zoom zoom  8-)!  And maybe the reduced drag will somewhat offset the added weight of the fibreglass and paint.  I'm thinking that it will come in at about 9 pounds.  I'll weigh it this evening after the final coat of epoxy cures.  I'll post a few pictures too.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:33pm
Today I applied a second coat of epoxy to the wing and fuse.  I've attached two pics to show how it looks at this point in the build.

This evening I weighed all the parts and summed everything up; 8 lb 12 oz.  I'll sand off most of the second coat of epoxy, but then I'll end up adding the weight back in paint.  So it will probably come in at 9 pounds +/- just as I figured; a little heavy like all the rest of my planes.  Makes 'em less jittery in flight  :)

Tomorrow I'll put in a few hours sanding.
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:41pm
.. [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:50pm
Found this pic from April of last year.  It shows the extent of the mods to the wing. 

Got my thread out of sequence didn't I.  Rats!
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by JackDD on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:51pm
Wow Mike that highly polished finish reminds of my Boot Camp Days , Bees wax and Bumpers... :planecool
How are you going to install the engine... :popcorn

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:58pm
The glossy finish won't last long Jack.  Tomorrow I'll sand the bejeepers  out of it, and at the end of the build I'll matt out the paint scheme. 

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:43pm
It took quite a bit of sanding to get the surfaces anywhere near ready for priming. I'll sand a little more tomorrow (during the storm).  Today, after sanding till my hands got tired I shifted gears and started working on the wing saddle and the wing to fuse seam.  I had to do quite a bit of work to get the wing to sit in properly, and even then I still have work to do.

I've attached a pic of the port side.  The seam between the wing fillet and the top of the wing isn't too bad.  I will tart up the bottom fillet aft of the trailing edge of the wing with epoxy and micro balloons.
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:53pm
The stbd. side didn't turn out quite as well.  I'll make it look better, just don't know how right now.  The gap between the fillet and the top of the wing is about 2 mm, so it really isn't outrageous, but it bugs me.

I threw in a picture of the fuse and wing bolted together; starting to look like an airplane.
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Jan 28th, 2016 at 11:07pm
Looking very good there Mike....

Amazing really - 3 kits on the go here on these very pages - super

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by JackDD on Jan 31st, 2016 at 7:27am
Wow Mike, great looking Bird.. :aviater :aviater

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Jan 31st, 2016 at 7:37am

JackDD wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 7:27am:
Wow Mike, great looking Bird.. :aviater :aviater

It sure is Jack! Mike had her by the house the other day and I looks like it's doing a hundred miles an hour just sitting there.
It's has all the toys, gear flaps, big  motor. nice! :D

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by JackDD on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 7:40am
Mike what motor were you putting in?

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:27am
Jack

I'm going to use the same OS 61 two-stroke that was in my last Ultra Sport.  Al and I put the engine on his test stand and verified that it was still in good shape.  It runs well and has plenty of power for a wannabe warbird.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by JackDD on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:38am
Wow, nice...I guess I won't be able to chase you round the circuit then ;)

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 2:16pm
C'mon Jack!!! Slick Kougar can catch a 10 pound ultra sport anytime..... ;D

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:56am
:popcorn

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:37pm
I couldn't resist the temptation any longer; I had to temporarily install the guns  :D

I mocked up a pair of MG131 13 mm (approximately 50 cal) machine guns on the cowl and a pair of MG 151/20 20 mm cannon in each wing.  The same armament as found on an FW 190 A8.  This Ultra Sport is gonna have an 'attitude'.  >:(
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:40pm
Totally rocks Mike..... :Fun_bat

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by JackDD on Feb 4th, 2016 at 7:53am
Firing through the prop, could be tricky... ;)

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 4th, 2016 at 9:49am
Electrically primed ammunition  :)

I didn't know that such ammunition was available during the war.  I just learned that while researching the guns for this model.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 4th, 2016 at 7:57pm
I primed the model today.  Its in my garage trying to dry; its too stinky to put in my basement workshop right now.  I'll take some pictures and post them tomorrow.

The plane is going to need a Revi 3d gunsight.  I'll start on that tomorrow.
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 7th, 2016 at 3:59pm
The humble switch...

I'm looking for suggestions for a 'reliable' on-off switch for this model.  Of course I could always use a simple Futaba switch but I'm thinking that something a little more robust might be in order.  Any comments?  ::)

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 7th, 2016 at 4:12pm
I should have added that it will be powered by a glow engine.                     

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 7th, 2016 at 6:30pm
you could make up one of the plug switches.....run the power thru a deans plug and use the male side to make the contact.............. :huhsign

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 7th, 2016 at 9:28pm
That would definitely work, and it would have gobs of current handling capability, but it may be a bit unsightly.

Are you aware of a pin and flag arrangement that is nice and simple?

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 8th, 2016 at 12:03am
www.smart-fly.com

they kind if set the standard for pin switches





Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 14th, 2016 at 8:26pm
My Luftwaffe pilot will need a German gunsight so I built a small model of a Revi 12C.  I've attached a picture of the real thing and one of my replica.  I made it from sheet plastic and brass tubing.  The lens is made of epoxy in a brass tube.
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Feb 17th, 2016 at 6:32am
That's really cool Mike! Great job!

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 17th, 2016 at 9:26pm
Aw man!!! that's super mike.

Now i have to say this, and i mean it with all respect for your abilities and knowledge....who, who but Mike, would research mg131's, and mg 151's, AND a Revi 12c sight, and make them for an Ultra Sport fun plane.

My hat is off to you for the dedication and effort you put into your projects. you make this stuff fun!!

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 18th, 2016 at 9:27am
Thanks Sandy....fun is what it is all about.  Fussing over details keeps my head in the game, and helps to make building and flying a sport flyer a lot more fun  :)

I'll post a picture of the completed cockpit shortly.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 18th, 2016 at 9:35am
Thanks Al...I put  a lot more time into the gunsight than I was planning, but at the end of the day I was happy with the way it looks. 

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 18th, 2016 at 4:15pm

MkIX wrote on Feb 18th, 2016 at 9:35am:
Thanks Al...I put  a lot more time into the gunsight than I was planning, but at the end of the day I was happy with the way it looks.  



you can build me a 1/5 scale sight for the Hurri any time   [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 18th, 2016 at 7:22pm
If I build you a gunsight you may shoot me down with it  :-/


Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 18th, 2016 at 11:11pm
Only if you also make me 8 Browning mg's or maybe a couple of "BIG GUNS, since I'm leaning towards a MKIV with the 40mm cannons  :Thanks :Fun_bat

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 19th, 2016 at 11:18am
A tank buster...cool.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 19th, 2016 at 8:02pm
I've more or less finished working on the cockpit.  I couldn't do much about the shape and size of the instrument panel (translate to read 'I was too lazy to make it any better') so I settled on putting as much Me 109 character in there as I could.  The nice thing about the fact that the model isn't a scale model of anything is the fact that anything goes  :)  So I used a mixture of Me 109 and FW 190.  At a minimum it correctly represents what was in my mind at the time.

Here are a few pics of my model and a pic of an Me 109 instrument panel.



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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 19th, 2016 at 11:12pm
that's pretty neat Mike. Keep 'em coming

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Feb 20th, 2016 at 6:03am
Nice Mike!   That's looks great! :D

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by JackDD on Feb 20th, 2016 at 6:57am
Wow Mike, I'd forgotten about the nose bumper...nice job :aviater

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 21st, 2016 at 3:58pm
So now I'm turning my mind to the colour scheme.  Right now I'm thinking late 1944 to early 1945; defence of the Reich.  The Luftwaffe added some nifty colours to their camo patterns at that time.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Feb 21st, 2016 at 5:40pm
:popcorn

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Feb 21st, 2016 at 6:22pm
. :popcorn :shots

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Mar 8th, 2016 at 3:12pm
My project has slowed down a bit so I'm feeling a little guilty; especially after visiting Al C and seeing the progress that he is making on his new jet.  So, I stopped fussing over preparing the surface for paint, and got busy and glued on the canopy.

Now that RC 56 (AKA Formula 560) is no longer available I consulted with Al and bought some E6000 at Michael's.  It worked like a treat!  I think that using it properly is an acquired skill, I'll get better with time.

I've also painted a sheet of plastic with the colours that I'll be using.  I'll go to the Benjamin Moore store this week to have the first colour (RLM 76) mixed. 
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Mar 8th, 2016 at 3:15pm
way to go Mike, looking super

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Glen on Mar 8th, 2016 at 5:17pm
Excellent clamps Mike, I'm going to have to make a few for myself.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Mar 9th, 2016 at 6:33am
Looks GREAT Mike!  I also really like the clamps!  What a simple but great idea. That should get you Model Airplane News for a year. In the tricks and tip section. [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:04am
Thanks guys.  I came up with the idea for the clamps while building my Spitfire.  They seem to work well, and they certainly are affordable  :)


Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by JackDD on Mar 14th, 2016 at 11:35am
Nice job with the clamps, Mike...reminds me of my Spanish Windlass days... ::)

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Apr 9th, 2016 at 3:21pm
Spent a little time today working on my fighter.  I masked off the canopy adding a mock frame.  Hopefully it will look more in keeping with my theme than the full bubble.  I've sprayed it a dark grey so that the inside will show that colour as opposed to the dark green that will eventually be applied to the outside of the frame.  Here's a picture of today's results.
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Apr 9th, 2016 at 5:41pm
. [smiley=thumbup.gif]


jeez Mike, we're running out of emoticons......... hurry up here

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Apr 9th, 2016 at 6:13pm
Slow and steady :)

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Apr 11th, 2016 at 8:02pm
Sprayed on a coat of the lower fuselage colour (RLM 76) on the whole plane today; that took a while.  Fussing with the control surfaces as separate parts is a PITA. I plan on attaching them to the fuse/wing over the weekend.  I'll post some pics after I put the camouflage pattern on the upper surfaces.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Apr 12th, 2016 at 5:44am
:popcorn

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jul 18th, 2016 at 8:42pm
I've been putting in a little time on my fighter.....finally!!!  Discovered that making the camouflage look random, especially the mottling, isn't as easy as one would think.  It took a lot of fussing.  Here are a few pics showing where I ended up.  It will become 'louder' once I put on the stencilling.

Today I went to Sojourn Signs  in Burnside.  They agreed to work with me to produce stencils for the crosses, swastikas, numbers, and some of the other misc stencils.  I'll go back tomorrow with specs to discuss with their CAD operator. So now I need to decide what to put on it. And there's another thing...finding solid documentation on German WW2 markings is a bit of a chore.  So I've been relying on pictures of the real thing and trying to determine dimensions as best I can.

Anyway, for now, here are the pictures of where I am...
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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Jul 18th, 2016 at 10:21pm
Very nice Mike. now that's going to be a treat to see in a gray sky  :shots

As for markings, you didn't think of Callie Graphics eh?

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jul 19th, 2016 at 8:19am
Yup, I thought of Callie graphics, but I think that painted on markings look better than stick ons.  Besides, it's sorta fun to paint them on.

I happen to have a set of 60 size Major Decals for a WW2 german fighter.  I thought of using them as well but decided to go the old fashioned route.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jul 19th, 2016 at 8:21am
Oh yes...forgot to mention...not being able to see the thing against a grey sky is true enough.  German camo worked well.

I'll resort to flying it on sunny days only  ;)

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Jul 27th, 2016 at 8:58pm
My stencils for the markings will be ready by Friday.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Oct 11th, 2016 at 7:15pm
Just in case you were wondering if I was actually working on my plane, here's a pic, warts and all.  I have some tidying up to do on the paint job.


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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Oct 11th, 2016 at 7:29pm
I've decided to make my plane represent a spurious member the second Staffel of the second Gruppen of JG11.  Sometime in 1944 when Günther Rall was the Gruppenkommandeur.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Oct 11th, 2016 at 10:08pm
Wasn't the pilot of that plane (Red 4)   Leutnant Jocham Beddlemeister? Read about him somewhere  ::) Pretty good guy, 47 1/2 kills :-?

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Oct 17th, 2016 at 11:25am
Just ordered up a Smart Fly Pin and Flag switch along wity a Dual Battery Sport Regulator for my fighter.  I've always wanted to have the pin and flag configuration.  Not a scale piece of kit, but then the Ultra Sport isn't scale either :)


Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Nov 20th, 2016 at 2:19pm
Slowly making progress so I thought I'd post a few pics.

I'm still fussing over whether or not to bother putting a Group shield on the port side just fwd of the cockpit.  I kinda like the JG 52 shield....pic included below. 




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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by dano on Nov 20th, 2016 at 2:39pm
Either side it's a nice graphic Mike.
Your scheme shows a lot of attention to precision!

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Nov 20th, 2016 at 3:03pm
very very nice..

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Steve Mosher on Nov 20th, 2016 at 5:41pm
Geez, Mike, that looks nice!

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Yak Man on Nov 20th, 2016 at 6:54pm
Looks great Mike!   Looks even better in real life!

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Nov 21st, 2016 at 8:37pm
Thanks guys. 

My next move will be to deal with all of the hinging.  Gotta seal the hinge lines with polyurethane and then attach all of the moving bits to the fuse and wing.  I may re-design the flap hinging; I'm not fully convinced that the flaps will work as I want.



Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Dec 30th, 2016 at 2:06pm
I've started to turn my mind to all of the servo connections that I'll need to make this thing work.  One for each aileron, one for each flap, one for for each of the LADO electric retracts, one for the elevator, one for the rudder, and one for the throttle....a pile of connections.  I'll be using a Futaba SBus receiver which, in turn, drives the need for at least one SBus decoder cable (no SBus servos in my collection yet).  The cable from Futaba is very pricey, and it only has three ports. 

I've never used Hobby King, but I understand that their stuff is generally just fine.  So I'm thinking of using their decoder and programmer; it has four ports and is less than half the price of the Fiutaba (see pic below).  I'm thinking that some of you may have used this product and could offer an opinion. Whadayathink?


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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Dec 30th, 2016 at 2:17pm
Good idea Mike. I used the HK encoder and programmer in my small hurricane and it worked a treat. I used basic Hitec servos, all worked fine.1 plug on top of the wing into the fuse.

Programmer is so easy even I got it right first try! Push a button, check a light, push again..never indication of any kind of problem. Certainly that wasn't what dumped the plane.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Feb 21st, 2017 at 9:23pm
Just checked the HK web site.  The SBD4 S-Bus decoder cable is out of stock :(   Bummer.

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Apr 17th, 2017 at 8:51am
I think that it is finally ready to fly :)

Here are a few pics.

I'll post a few videos later this morning.


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Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by MkIX on Apr 17th, 2017 at 9:12am
Here are a few videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDpsnDbwiPI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7BXQAPT12k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCkK5t6g4nQ

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Fingers on Apr 17th, 2017 at 11:04am
Almost panicked when I saw the video  "Hexacopter"  by MkIX! Then realized it was you on the camera for Jack's machine.....

Title: Re: Jager Sport
Post by Steve Mosher on Apr 17th, 2017 at 8:32pm
Flaps work great, Mike.

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