Hi Guys,
This is something i have been thinking a lot about, as i am looking to sometime this year start a large ultimate and cannot decide to go gas or electric.

I though i might solicit advice and comments (constructive) from you guys who have more experience.

From my point of view, i'm eventually looking a a 100cc size ultimate.  If i go gas, then a DLE 111 is probably my choice due to cost.(~$500-550)
If i go electric then a Hacker 100(~$750) is what i have been looking at, with a CC 160 amp ESC(~270).

The cost of the electric setup is higher and then you need to buy at lease 8 6 cell batteries at ~ $75 each for another 300 bucks.

Secondly, there is the issue of flying time....will this setup give me enough time to complete an IMAC routine?

As far as charging goes for batteries, i think im good but could use a second charger...

So, let the discussion begin....

Why should i go one way or the other??

I appreciate your input... ;)

Brian

It's really up to you Brian. They both have advantage and disadvantage's. A gas setup is going to cost a bit more then what you said because your going to need a half decent servo on the throttle and possibly a second one for the chock.  Also need an ignition shut-off and about 150 to 400 bucks for a decent exhaust system. Depending on how good of one you want.
Gas system are harder to install then electric ones but once there done they work for a long time problem free.
Another thing to consider, ultimates are hard to get apart.
they wouldn't be easy to get batteries in and out.
Now that I think about, I could type pages and pages about this. :P

Obviously electrics have come a long way from the "paint drying" painful flights we saw years ago at Debert... it's almost 10 years since one of the Shulman boys took an electric to the World pattern championships and came third...

Mark can wade in at any time, but we saw some of his flights last year at Truro come a bit shy of time and put him in the crops...big chunkin' packs required... that said, more guys are having great success with electric (in fact most of us have at least one in our basement)

Plane will be heavier, I think, but you'll have tons of tourque.. but then, as Al said, you gotta keep changing those packs..

go fort...

the American husband and wife team at Margaree do not seem to have any time of flight or other problems.
The motor in the spinner is unique
they are all electric

Yes Al, you are right!

I forgot about the extra parts...and i would probably want canisters if i were going gas...and smoke...lol

I'm not sure about the weight question....from everything i have read, the weights seem to come in fairly close.

The advantages of the electric, aside from as Sandy mentioned...gobbs of torque, are from my point of view, the controllability of the throttle on the down rev, and the fact that you don't get a "dead stick" until the end....lol

The big disadvantages are the cost of the batteries and the charge time.

I'm thinking that for IMAC i would need at least two complete sets of batteries, thats two sets of 4x6cells at say $75/battery, or $600 bucks!

I don't think i will know for sure about the flight times until i go fly the pattern.

One other thing i read was that the wind can really affect the flight times.  Flying into the wind simply eats up more power...

I don't notice this on smaller planes, but then again i'm only flying one battery.

Brian

The couple at Margaree use Plettenberg motors I think......the motor is built right into the spinner... new take on the old rotary engine from WWI..

Jon Eastman is also a good resource to tap into. He has been running large electrics for some time. One thing to consider with batteries is to think of them as fuel. They will be a recurring cost, not a one-time cost. They get tired and wear just like any other part. The cannister comment was a good one, as the noise issue is real and not going away at our field at least. the stock mufflers on any of the DLE's or Da's will sit in the box, as they simply are far too loud to use at our field.

http://www.icare-rc.com/plettenberg_predator.htm

daga daga daga


Fingers wrote on Feb 6^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

The couple at Margaree use Plettenberg motors I think......the motor is built right into the spinner... new take on the old rotary engine from WWI..

Just a though on batteries , did you consider the battery charger and the time it will take you each week to charge the batteries ?

Thought I'd chime in.  I flew IMAC last year with a 30cc size electrified Edge 540 running on 6S.  I ended up beating 4 other gassers in sportsman at Windsor and competed well at the Truro competition. Electric is here to stay  ;)

I had 4 6S 6000 batts for the summer.  Average flight time was about 7 minutes and charge time was about 45 mins but I wasn't charging them as fast as I could have at the field because I didn't have a generator.

To me this was ideal.  On a good Saturday or Sunday I'd have about 8 flights each day and have time in between charges to chat with the guys.

This I think is probably the most cost effective anything bigger it is going to get expensive.

This year's project is an 87" Yak that I'm running on 12S

So now I am looking at another 4 flight batteries, a bigger charger, bigger power supply, and a generator.  Not to mention a much more expensive motor and esc.

So for me it is a wait and see thing.  If I get the flight times I have read which are somewhere in the 10 minute range, and the motor performs better than a DA 60 as advertised I think I'll be very happy.

The only thing for me will be the charging times.  If I can't effectively charge at the field as I did last year it could put a damper on the fun.

My main reason for going electric is I know very little about gas or glow engines.  Growing up I flew a lot electric gliders and enjoyed the simplicity of it.

I also like the idea of trying something new and unique that a lot of people aren't ready to adopt.  It's a talking point when I go to a competition or a fun fly.  A lot of people want to know what I am running. 

For me the 50cc airframe is right on the edge of making sense to run electric.  Anything larger gas is probably the right choice. 

Just keep in mind it isn't just the plane you need to be worried about as far as cost goes there is all the support gear, charger, power supply, generator you need to go along with it.

Like Al said it comes down to personal choice.  I think something of the Ultimate's size and weight might be an expensive proposition but doable.

Ok now I am done.  I am such an attention whore ;D

Ben Lann wrote on Feb 6^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Thought I'd chime in.  I flew IMAC last year with a 30cc size electrified Edge 540 running on 6S.  I ended up beating 4 other gassers in sportsman at Windsor and competed well at the Truro competition. Electric is here to stay  ;)

blah blah blah......... attention hooore is right  :D

For me it all comes down to what I can afford to fly.  The cost of getting all the goodies to make an 50cc size bird electric and do it right is far greater than picking up an affordable gas engine and flying all day on a gallon or so of fuel.  I will just pick up an bottle of green loctite and breath gas   :o

Some great points have been made.  I will add my 2 cents....i mean 5 cents.

That 60 inch electric extra that crashed in the weeds at the Truro IMAC is a pretty good illustration of one of the downfalls of electric.  I blame it solely on myself as I had a cheap HK battery that was too small.  I used a 3300 mah 6S Nano Tech at the Truro IMAC and I flew it at the Avon IMAC with a 3700 Pulse Ultra.  Night and day difference.  Easily getting 9 min flights (can do 2 advanced sequences) and still have great power at the end with the Pulse battery.  A fresh battery is yeilding 285 watter per lb static (probably a little more with the Pulse).  That is silly power.  My 89inch Extra will be pushing 320 watts per lb.  Flight time may be an issue.

That being said, if you want an economical setup, don't even bother with bigger electrics.  As it stands right now a 50cc gas setup versus a equivalent electric setup are not that far apart as far as cost.  To get a gas setup that is comparable powerwise, you are probably looking at DA60 with a tuned pipe and all the associated crap.  Pretty much count on dropping anywhere between 650$ to 1000$ on a gas setup.  My Rimfire 65 that I will be using will spin a 24x12 at around 6000 rpm and draw around 6000 watts.  A piped DA60 might get 4000 watts and the majority of it happens in the high rpm ranges.

For me, the linear throttle response is huge.  Whether i want to fly 3D or precision, it is as linear as it gets.

Like Ben said, charge time can be a killer.  However if you have the proper equipment, it is not an issue unless you want to get 4 or 5 flights in within an hour.  Most of the newer batteries will charge properly in 30 minutes (2C charge rate).  I have a 2000 watt Honda generator, a 12v 60 amp power supply, a 12v 47 amp power supply and 2 dual port 800w chargers with parallel charging boards.  Each power supply was around 50$ and each charger came in around 130$ landed from HK.  Not cheap but not crazy expensive either.  My chargers are capable of charging 4 6S lipos at 16 amps each..all at the same time.  That would be 4 6S 8000mah lipo's charged in 30 minutes all at the same time. My power supplies are not up to that task but I may upgrade in the future if need be.  For now, my el cheapo supplies are fine.  With this charging power, I will be running only 1 set of batteries.  For me, I like to fly and then sit back, relax and join in the peanut gallery to make fun of Whitelaw's various airframes.

I am going all electric because it is something somewhat different and we are all going to be flying electric sooner than later...it is just a matter of time.  Once we see another leap forward in battery technology, it will all but kill IC in the generic sport models that we fly 95% of the time. 

Might I add Sandy that electrics do also come in pink or purple  ;D

Hi Ben, Mark,

I already have a generator and 4 x 6 cell batteries to run in the Yak.  I think i will pick up a larger DC charger that can do 2 x 6 cells at the same time. I also have a large deep cell battery that i got off a boat.  I figure it will charge several batteries per charge and the genny could charge it in between.

So, at the moment i can do two flights then charge.

My plan is to fly the Yak all summer while saving for the new plane in the fall.

I only wish there were more Imac's this summer!

Brian

by the way Mark, where do you get the pulse batteries?

http://www.rotorquest.com/index.php?cPath=31

From what I have read, the Pulse Ultra's and Gens Ace batteries are the same thing only with different labels.  I have heard many great things about the Gens Ace however I do not have any personal experience yet.

I am running Gens Ace in a number of planes and they are great. you can get them at Hobbypartz.com. Not expensive either.

I used a large deep cell battery last summer and with the larger 6S packs I was lucky to get 3 maybe 4 charges before the battery wouldn't charge anymore.  Wasn't as much of an issue as I had 4 6S packs and I was only using one per flight.

If you are running two packs per flight a generator is going to be a necessity.

I haven't tried the Gen Ace batteries yet, i have been using the Sky Lipo's for a couple of years now and they are very good batteries...not sure how they compare.

BTW, the nice thing about Hobby Partz is the $10 flat fee shipping!!

Brian

Brian wrote on Feb 6^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Hi Ben, Mark, I only wish there were more Imac's this summer! Brian

we're trying to get another contest Brian - Mark is just too busy to direct the 2 day Truro  contest, even tho we have approval from MAST to hold it there. SO, we need 2 or 3 or 4 guys to step up and run that one.... :-X

BTW, the nice thing about Hobby Partz is the $10 flat fee shipping!!


Not sure that is true today. The shipping charges have gone out of whack recently with the restrictions on shipping lipos. I've had orders come right through and others be subject to big additional charges. Recently had a n order from Hobby King go from $29 shipping to $75 and I couldn't figure out why. Turned out I had four Ni-Mi batteries in the order and that made it fall into the hazardous category. needless to say, I removed them .

Annnnddddd with all that hazerdous cargo crud, Boeing has built lipos into their Dreamliner... :o

Fingers wrote on Feb 7^th, 2013 at 12:04pm:

Annnnddddd with all that hazerdous cargo crud, Boeing has built lipos into their Dreamliner... :o

with hobby king charging equipment.

Now I'm starting to wonder if i have the right motor in the Yak. :-/

When i do the math,  the flying weight should be around 18 pounds and depending on where i look, the Hacker A60-16l produces somewhere between 2600 and 3500 watts.  This gives 150-190 watts per pound....

Significantly less than you guys....i'm left feeling inadequate :o

lol...

what do you think?

Brian

I think the A80 is slightly overkill for my airframe ;D  I have seen youtube videos of 50cc conversions using the A60 and the A80.  Both seemed to fly well.

Couple videos

First one is a 92" Edge 540 on a Hacker Q80 (essentially the same as the A80 but lighter).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUZnYkwv8U

Second is a 87" Extra SHP on a Hacker A60-18L
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FemdT5CxM

These are all Joe Smith and they are 3D hobbyshop frames which are generally lighter and much stronger than standard gasser airframes.  He has competed at XFC the last two years.  He also has an electricfied 104" running on a Q80.

Great night flight of the 104" Slick here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbv7lZxo44g

While looking for the Joe Smith videos I did find one reason to not fly electric.

Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9mcNvOGKtI

We can all fly like that Ben,  :o

lets see him fly a straight line! ::)

Love the last video!....wonder why it literally exploded into flame..  :-?

Pretty good for an 18 year old  :o

According to the description the guy was charging the lipo inside the plane and heard a noise like a "fart"  ;D so they took the plane outside to investigate and that's when the fire started.

He could have easily chose the wrong setting on the charger.  I think my dad accidentally charged a 3S on a 5S charge setting once and had one go off.  Although he never did admit to it  ;D

Moral of the story is if you hear a fart at the field remove your lipo from your plane and discard it ;D Just to be safe lol

oh and don't charge your batts in your plane or heli.

So, you're saying that every time Sandy farts, we all have to take the batteries out of our planes???? ;D

We won't do much flying!

Brian wrote on Feb 7^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Now I'm starting to wonder if i have the right motor in the Yak. :-/ When i do the math,  the flying weight should be around 18 pounds and depending on where i look, the Hacker A60-16l produces somewhere between 2600 and 3500 watts.  This gives 150-190 watts per pound.... Significantly less than you guys....i'm left feeling inadequate :o lol... what do you think? Brian

A DL or a DA will at best put out around 3700 watts so the Hacker A60 at 3500 watts would do fine.  My setup at 6000 watts is extremely overkill and not needed even for the most extreme aerobatics.  You don't need 300 watts per lb but it sure is fun to punch it for a few seconds.

Good Morning Guys, thanks for your input...so i guess i'm ok with the Hacker A60...

Just won't be able to accelerate vertically like a rocket ship!

I'm ok with that.

Mark, i just ordered one of the hobbyking 800 watt dual chargers, but i'm assuming i will need an 80 amp power supply to run this from my generator....do you find this or can you get away with less?

I was also thinking of phoning a computer repair place to see if they have old power supplies but i'm not sure they will be big enough.  Have you tried this route?

Thanks,

Brian

Brian
As far as the computer route, I've seen a couple of server power supplies that run 50-60 amps, I would expect that that's the average.

I think the one I have is a 47 amp and I got it of rccanada.  I only paid $50

Brian wrote on Feb 9^th, 2013 at 8:11am:

Good Morning Guys, thanks for your input...so i guess i'm ok with the Hacker A60... Just won't be able to accelerate vertically like a rocket ship! I'm ok with that. Mark, i just ordered one of the hobbyking 800 watt dual chargers, but i'm assuming i will need an 80 amp power supply to run this from my generator....do you find this or can you get away with less? I was also thinking of phoning a computer repair place to see if they have old power supplies but i'm not sure they will be big enough.  Have you tried this route? Thanks, Brian

Both of my power supplies are server power supplies.  The majority of the PC power supplies are too small and won't let you take full advantage of the charger. 

In order to get the full 800 watts out of your charger, you would need a 12V supply capable of sustaining about 65 amps.  I have the same 47 amp HP power supply as Ben and I have a 60 amp HP supply aswell.  Both work very well. I got the 60 amp for about 40$ on Ebay and modified it.  Very easy to do with a decent soldering iron and a bit of wire.  I don't know how big of a battery you eventually plan on charging but with the 47 amp supply, you should be able to charge two 6S lipos at about 11 or 12 amps (or a 6000 mah lipo at 2C) at the same time.

I use a power supply out of an old computer, have no idea what the output is in any kind of useful numbers but it runs my HK charger and my old Triton just great (label says 12V at 8 amp) if that means anything.......

have 1 or 2 more down there for the taking....

Brian wrote on Feb 8^th, 2013 at 5:49pm:

So, you're saying that every time Sandy farts, we all have to take the batteries out of our planes???? ;D We won't do much flying!

we do have another d contender, in the club, who, far better a than I, qualifies for an v award for the generation of bench clearing, battery destroying, gut wrenching oderiferous e discharges which will "pin" the needle on any instrument used to detect y toxic industrial waste output...I can only fervently hope that none of you is flying down wind from one of his "events". It WILL bring you to your knees and likely cause the distruction of the aircraft you are flying at the time...his effluent has been known to melt indoor foamies.... :-[
Now it is not in my nature to publicly reveal the name of this gent... but an effort to use subliminal advertising might save some member's plane...

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we do have another d contender, in the club, who, far better a than I, qualifies for an v award for the generation of bench clearing, battery destroying, gut wrenching oderiferous e discharges which will "pin" the needle on any instrument used to detect y toxic industrial waste output...I can only fervently hope that none of you is flying down wind from one of his "events". It WILL bring you to your knees and likely cause the distruction of the aircraft you are flying at the time...his effluent has been known to melt indoor foamies.... :-[ Now it is not in my nature to publicly reveal the name of this gent... but an effort to use subliminal advertising might save some member's plane...

Hmmmmm!!!! Read the fine Print.  [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32587?utm_source=eFlyer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feb2013_24hrDailyDeal-Feb11


Glen wrote on Feb 9^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

Brian As far as the computer route, I've seen a couple of server power supplies that run 50-60 amps, I would expect that that's the average.

FYI their is a guy on RCCanada selling 75 amps supplies for 150$.  Pretty good deal seeing as it is a quality supply and it is already modified and ready to go.

Thanks Mark,

I'll take a look...

Brian

Brian wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Thanks Mark, I'll take a look... Brian

I decided to try one out.  This way I can bring one supply to the field and take full advantage of both chargers.  I will let you know how it works.

Hi Mark,

I couldn't find this guy....what was his name?  do you know what page he was on?


Thanks,

Brian

Might have been this one

http://www.rccanada.ca/rccforum/showthread.php?t=192740&highlight=power+supply

APS 75 Amp 1000 Watts Pro Grade Power Supply DUAL Volt Cascade Audio MARINE READY

She is a beast!

Hi Ben,

Saw that one but Mark said $150....but i do think it must be the same guy, he has all kinds for sale!

Brian

Oh I didn't know he had more.  I think I'll hold off to see how my current setup works for me.


Brian wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Hi Ben, Saw that one but Mark said $150....but i do think it must be the same guy, he has all kinds for sale! Brian

Ok,  I spent some time calling around to several computer repair shops today and found several 550-600 watt supplies you can get for 30 bucks or so, but they just are not big enough to run an 800 watt charger...

in the end, i googled it again and found this at Best Buy:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/apevia-apevia-1100w-computer-power-supply-atx-wa1100w-atx-wa1100w/10218313.aspx?path=9d5f1ee8173262d1aa8bf4ef7a8a9fbaen02

An 1100 watt power supply, new, for $112, and free shipping!

I don't think that can be beaten.

except for one thing....i think inside it is really 4 independent 30 amp supplies...wondering if you can wire it all into one?

Brian

http://www.e-fliterc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFLC4010

this any good??

Couple other places I'd try if you are looking for a computer CPU and wanted to buy new are Robotnik which are in Burnside or Bayers Lake I forget and Tigerdirect.ca. 

If it was me I'd just wait till I saw server power supply go up for sale on rccanada.  They are up for sale quite often.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Sort=3&Nav=|c:2534|&Recs=30

http://www.robotnik.com/home.php?cat=24

Fingers wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

http://www.e-fliterc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFLC4010 this any good??

This one is only 250 watts.  I need more power Sandy!  That was my best Cap'n Kirk impression  ;D

Good morning Ben,

I took a look at these and i get a bit confused because the computer power supplies sometimes run multiple busses and have several output leads.  I think it might be better to buy from that guy on RC Canada because his look like real power supplies with a single output.

But, i wanted to ask you guys, what batteries you are using....

I have to buy another 8 batteries or so and i'm not sure of the "C" rating i should be getting.

I think for IMAC flying a 30c battery should be fine, but for the 3D stuff i might want more...

what do you guys think?

Brian

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__13416__HobbyKing_600W_17V_Power_Supply.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__24245__Turnigy_1080W_100_120V_Power_Supply_13_8V_18V_60amp_USA_Warehouse_.html

and more

Ben Lann wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

Fingers wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 3:09pm: http://www.e-fliterc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFLC4010 this any good?? This one is only 250 watts.  I need more power Sandy!  That was my best Cap'n Kirk impression  ;D

We're at full boost now Captain, I canna give ya nae more!!! If I try we'll force the Thyristors into another dimension and the quaser flux will burn out leaving us with no shields or trojans, and no discernible means of support!!!  :'(

What's the 250 watts mean?? Please understand electricity for me is I flip a switch and the lights come on -  wall lights that is, the other lights are still out  ;D

Hi Sandy,

Watts are power!

Or in technical terms, watts=volts x amps

so if we have a 22 volt battery driving at say 75 amps, it's using 1650 watts of power.

You can convert this to horsepower by dividing by 746, so 1650 watts is 2.21 Hp!

Hope this sheds some light....

Brian

. :-[ :-?

so what does this have to do with power supplies?? Is that power supply better or worse than then the old one out of a computer I'm presently using - if so why, if not - flip my switch  :-?

Hi Sandy,

Well, power supplies are rated by their power output.

The power supplies that come with most computers is a 350 watt unit.  If you are a hard core gamer like myself and build your own computers, then you want more power to run multiple boards.

In our case, with the battery chargers, we have chargers for our large 6 cell batteries that put out 800 watts of power.  The problem is that these chargers are 12 volt DC.  So, we need to have a power supply that we can plug into a 120volt AC generator that puts out somewhere close to 800 watts.

does this make sense?

Brian

Well, I know our charges are 12 volt..and in most cases they plug into power supplies that plug into 120 volt ac.

My question was why is the Celetron power supply I indicated not as good as the ones you guys are talking about.... the charger charges at 12 volts? or charges TO 12 volts.... OR the charger charges at a rate of 250 watts or 800 watts, and the 800 charges faster?? I simply dunno

Trying not be obtuse, but electric doesn't register... :-/

Hi Sandy,

Your power supply is every bit as good, just not as powerful.

The chargers run on 12 VDC power, but they charge at the lipo battery voltage.

The rate of charge (measured in "C") tells us how many amps the charger is jamming into the batteries.

Clear as Mud!

Brian

so if I have a 250 watt charger it will charge a 2500 pack but not as fast as a 800 watt charger??

Fingers wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

so if I have a 250 watt charger it will charge a 2500 pack but not as fast as a 800 watt charger??

Someone else please feel free to chime in if I am way off base as I still consider myself a noob to all this.

The bigger the charger the more amps you can charge at and in-turn the quicker you can charge the lipo.

For instance the iCharger 106B-plus 250W 6s Balance/Charger has a charge range of 0.05 – 10.0A.

While the Turnigy Fatboy 8 1300W Workstation Charger has a charge range of  range .10 to 40A.

All of this is dependent on the lipo you are charging.  For instance if you had a 3s 2200 lipo with a 1C rating you could only charge it at 2.2 amps (1C x 2.2mah). So it really wouldn't matter what charger you used as both chargers can easily charge at 2.2 amps.  Now if you had a 3s 2200 Turnigy A-Spec that has a max charge rate of 8C you could charge the lipo at 17.6 amps (8C x 2.2mah).  So with the 250 watt charger you would be limited to 10 amps but the Fatboy 1300 watt you would have no problem and in-turn charge the pack faster than the 250 watt charger.

That's exactly it Ben, it depends on the acceptance rate of the battery being charged.

That's why we look for bigger chargers and buy batteries that can suck in the power quickly...because we want to reduce the charging time and fly more!! :D

and God knows, i need all the air time i can get! ;D

Brian

Hi Ben,Mark,

I have been emailing that guy from Toronto, his name is Robert and his handle is Lipo Power.

Anyway he has 1200 watt power supplies for $85 shipped!

I think i'm going to go for one of these to try it out...

Brian

Not a bad price did he send you a photo of the power supply?

Hi Brian. Were those 1200 watt power supplies 12 or 24 volt?

No photo, and the voltage is 12 v...however i think it might be adjustable...going to get more info...

Brian

As far as volts and amps and whatnot, compare it to a garden hose.  The pressure in the hose is comparable to the potential (volts).  The amount of water coming out of the hose would be the flow (current) and the total combination of the pressure in the hose and the volume of water coming out of the hose would be the overall power (watts).  So if you have a garden hose with 12 psi (12 volts) that is flowing 3 gallons per minute (3 amps), you will have a total of 36 (12x3) available units of energy (watts)

Hi Guys,

I received the power supply and my new charger today....plugged it all in and it seems to work.

I will put two 6 cell batteries on charge tonight at the same time and see what the result is.

I have to say that the guy i bought the charger from - Robert- on RCCanada has been excellent to deal with!!

He even took the time to ask what i was using it for and provided advice...wow, you don't see that much anymore...

Brian

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Happy to report that it works fine!!  charging 2 - 6 cell batteries right now....Awesome!