Santa gave me a 100cc size Ultimate kit for Christmas!
Looks like I'm going to actually build something for a change. This going to take a while, not as slow as Sandy, but it should take all winter! ;)

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Oooo...Those wings are soooome thin.... 8-)
Where's the 28lb Kerosene Ram air Turbine go? :-?

Nice choice Al.
Be sure to post lots of pics of the build process.

There's two of them in this one Jack!  They go in the wheel pants! ::)   
JackDD wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 9:12am:

Oooo...Those wings are soooome thin.... 8-) Where's the 28lb Kerosene Ram air Turbine go? :-?

dano wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

Nice choice Al. Be sure to post lots of pics of the build process.

Thanks Dan. A bipe will be a nice change for a while.
I hope to post some picks of the build.

Is it a Real Kit...one you have to glue together? :-?

If so..your welcome to borrow some of mine...I went a little overboard, when I went into Canadian tire, Xmas time.... ;)

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Excellent Al. It's been a long time since you last posted a build thread.  Include lots of pictures.  It hurts my lips to read too much  :)

Sweet Al!  Always have been a fan of the Bipes!

+1

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JackDD wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 10:16am:

Is it a Real Kit...one you have to glue together? :-? If so..your welcome to borrow some of mine...I went a little overboard, when I went into Canadian tire, Xmas time.... ;)

Yep, it's a real kit. Big box of wood and a set of plans!
Thanks for the glue offer, I have lots. Got about 12 bottles
from Mighty Small Cars a few weeks ago. Best deal in town for ca. [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

Exclusiv Modelbau ?

Well I guess the first thing to do is lighten all the formers.
Took quite a while to cut all the holes. :P
A lot more stuff has been lighten then just what you see here. Almost a pound out of the old over designed kit.

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As you can see the wing ribs have been lighten also.
If you look close you can see the hardwood spars are also replaced with a balsa carbon fiber laminated one.
This stuff all adds up to unwanted weight. >:(

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So that is how an R/C plane gets put together - we've all been sticking ARF's together for so long that I almost forgot how.  :D ;)

Now, if you can remember how to apply Monokote, you'll be all set. ;D ;D :D

Plane's looking good, Al!

Lightning holes in Balsa? :-? Its not 6061 Al,  ;)
is it going to be worth it, :-?
I would have just used a bigger prop ::)

:)

i would agree with Jack
especially the frames and bulkheads
I would look at 1/64 ply doublers where there is fuse torsion

the biggest stress on an airframe [ in this case the empennage] comes in a manoeuver which is called a rolling pull-up

the landing gear shock loads have to be carried through the fuse

image yourself as part of the airframe and feel where the loads are distributing

A pound of weight!!  That amazing Al!!  Keep the pictures coming.  Everything looks great.

Bruce

the Ultimate is the Ultimate.... [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

hope this one flies for you..... ::)

JackDD wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 9:12am:

Lightning holes in Balsa? :-? Its not 6061 Al,  ;) is it going to be worth it, :-? I would have just used a bigger prop ::) :)

Have you ever seen inside a modern 50cc size and up plane?
Trust me there's not much there and every gram counts.

Here's a shot of a foam core I did some years back. Foam and a couple carbon fiber strips held that together, and it's still going today

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Oh, also the foam cores only had 1/6 sheeting that was held together with 3M-77 contack cement.

Here's some shots of the wing as it progresses.

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is that carbon fibre tape under the spar caps?
the wings are a nice job

Yes.  If you think this is too light, you don't want to be looking too hard at my AJ Slick.


Yak Man wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:52pm:

JackDD wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 9:12am: Lightning holes in Balsa? :-? Its not 6061 Al,  ;) is it going to be worth it, :-? I would have just used a bigger prop ::) :) Have you ever seen inside a modern 50cc size and up plane? Trust me there's not much there and every gram counts. Here's a shot of a foam core I did some years back. Foam and a couple carbon fiber strips held that together, and it's still going today

waverider wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:29pm:

is that carbon fibre tape under the spar caps? the wings are a nice job

Yes. It's hard to see but it there.

Yea Shane, you know what I'm talking about. Some of there planes are build so light that you would expect them to explode in flight but they don't.  Well most don't LOL! ::)



Shane Morse wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Yes.  If you think this is too light, you don't want to be looking too hard at my AJ Slick. Yak Man wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:52pm: JackDD wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 9:12am: Lightning holes in Balsa? :-? Its not 6061 Al,  ;) is it going to be worth it, :-? I would have just used a bigger prop ::) :) Have you ever seen inside a modern 50cc size and up plane? Trust me there's not much there and every gram counts. Here's a shot of a foam core I did some years back. Foam and a couple carbon fiber strips held that together, and it's still going today

Shots of the rudder and fin. No suprizes there, other then it was a flat slab. I sanded a slight air foil shap in it, just for looks.

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when do you sleep?

Looking really good Al!

on the rudder, I see in the open pics there is a small triangular gusset you left off.....did you put it in before you sheeted?

waverider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

when do you sleep?

I go to bed around12.30am and am up around 4.00am.
So I guess I don't sleep much. :-/ It's not fun!

Fingers wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

on the rudder, I see in the open pics there is a small triangular gusset you left off.....did you put it in before you sheeted?

Well Sandy, your right? I guess I missed that one! :-?

Looking real good Al, and you are moving right along....not like any of my builds :-)

I like the way that you sandwiched the carbon fibre strips into the main spars.  Presumably held together with CA?

not a bad picture of that tail al, (better one on the wall behind) ;D but you need to get something in one or two of those to show us the size, yourself perhaps?

the other day in new glasgow your new ride came up and someone wondered if it would be ready for this season.  I just laughed!  ;D

looking great so far, but how big is it.   ;D

al wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

not a bad picture of that tail al, (better one on the wall behind) ;D but you need to get something in one or two of those to show us the size, yourself perhaps? the other day in new glasgow your new ride came up and someone wondered if it would be ready for this season.  I just laughed!  ;D looking great so far, but how big is it.   ;D

I'll see what I can do.

al wrote on Jan 9^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

not a bad picture of that tail al, (better one on the wall behind) ;D but you need to get something in one or two of those to show us the size, yourself perhaps? the other day in new glasgow your new ride came up and someone wondered if it would be ready for this season.  I just laughed!  ;D looking great so far, but how big is it.   ;D

nah, we're talking Cool here, not Sandy  >:( Of course it will be ready... :D

Quote:

we're talking Cool here, not Sandy

that's exactly what someone said.  ;D ;D

Two comments Al,

Can i have the holes you are cutting out to start the stove in the morning? ;)

And

Try Viagra, it slows down the build! ;D

Brian

Brian

I tried it, cant take the headache! ;D ;D ;D

Lets keep this PG guys ::)

LOL,

Well, im sure flying that plane is going to be almost as good....

Can't wait to see her fly!

I'm very keen to fly my Ultimate as well!

We should have a Maiden Fest Day! ;D

Brian

Haven't been able to get much done lately. Life gets in the way!
Mike, yes CA is the glue I use on the spars.
Brian, What are you building?

Tail feathers are almost done, just some hard points left.

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Looking good, Al (except for the temporary aluminum airfrane holder ;)).

Looks good, what's the wingspan Al?
What weight are you shooting for?
 

Yak Man wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2013 at 7:07am:

This one has the TX in it.  Should help size it up.

Yup, that does the job. thanks for that al.

Looking good!

I'm looking at the pictures of the tail trying to figure out how you are going to hinge the control surfaces?

What do you mean Mike? In the pics you see the elevators are already hinged?


MkIX wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2013 at 9:15pm:

I'm looking at the pictures of the tail trying to figure out how you are going to hinge the control surfaces?

Yak Man wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2013 at 6:57am:

Tail feathers are almost done, just some hard points left.

except for the one you missed   >:(

Fingers wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 9:04am:

Yak Man wrote on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 6:57am: Tail feathers are almost done, just some hard points left. except for the one you missed   >:(

LOL..... It's ok Sandy,  :-? That part is down in the fuse and it won't matter. That's what I'm telling myself! :-?

looks like an almos empty bottle of Appletons rum by the tv....must help with the build??

Brian

sorry, just saw your question...i'm building a Great Blanes Ultimate 160....actually, just doing the assembly... ;)

Sry, i was away in germany...just back.... :(

You are ahead of me but i suspect i might be able to catch up......lol

Brian

Brian wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2013 at 7:27pm:

looks like an almos empty bottle of Appletons rum by the tv....must help with the build?? Brian

also almost looks like Celine on the "spike" video - really need the Appleton's to get thru her!!
:-/

Hmmm.  I see now that my question on hinging was poorly crafted. I'll try from a different direction  :)

What sort of hinges are you using?

MkIX wrote on Jan 28^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Hmmm.  I see now that my question on hinging was poorly crafted. I'll try from a different direction  :) What sort of hinges are you using?

At the moment there are little pieces of hot hinge in there. Later I'll replacement then with robart hinges.

dano wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2013 at 11:41am:

Looks good, what's the wingspan Al? What weight are you shooting for?

Dan, it's a 77 inch wing


http://www.precisioncutkits.com/301.htm

I'm getting ahead of myself. Here's the fuse roughed, (or should i say ruffed in ha ha). :)

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Now for some more holes!

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These are the horns I'm going to use on all the flying surfaces.
So I made a crude jig to make sure that everything is the same.

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Really Light!
Are you using any carbon tape inside fuse?
Should be a rocket.

do they sell those lightening holes by the pack or by the each ? Hope there's enough balsa and ply to hold together.... ;)

methinks this needs more longerons
not sure CF will do the trick
the covering will go into diagonal tension and prodide some torsional stidffness
but a heavy landing might
do the break back mountain thing
only Al won't be gay about it

best I can count in the fuzzy pics is there will be about 15 stringers on that turtle deck....should hold up to landings just fine....

its the mid section I am looking at
the bit where the four partial frames are

Now don't forget there's a huge turtle deck to go on the top yet. There should be all kinds of strength in there then.

You could always add in a longjohn or two later,

I have 50$ that says it will hold up fine.  Any takers?

dano wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 8:57am:

Really Light! Are you using any carbon tape inside fuse? Should be a rocket.

Dan, at this point there isn't any carbon in the fuse. That may change.
It may be quick but I'm trying to give the DA 85 a fighting chance. It's a small engine for this plane.

Ramzz wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 8:49pm:

I have 50$ that says it will hold up fine.  Any takers?

Can I get in on that? ;D

The glass parts finally arrived yesterday. :P  I had to stop working on the fuse for fear the cowl won't fit!

Turns out it's nice stuff and it fits great!
On with the build :)

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Looking great so far!  Can't wait to see how that 85 will pull it.

oooooohhh, the pic showing the cowl and landing gear fastened looks like a pit bull ready to eat sky!

It'll be nice to see an Ultimate in the air again.

Turtle deck done.

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Moving along to the front. Here I have the mounts for the cabane struts clamped in place, waiting for the Hysol (no Lysol)to dry. The Lysol's for drinking! ;)

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Now I can plank up the front.

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This is one nice, well done and documented thread Al!

Thanks Bruce

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administrator wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2013 at 4:14pm:

This is one nice, well done and documented thread Al. Thanks Bruce

Thanks man

looking very good Al, although I likely would have used Hysol instead of Lysol to glue the cabane in...... but then, I'm not much of a builder.  ;)

Fingers wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm:

looking very good Al, although I likely would have used Hysol instead of Lysol to glue the cabane in...... but then, I'm not much of a builder.  ;)

Ha Ha, I think I was drinking the stuff!
Fix just for you.

mmmmmmm Lysol and Ginger - the drink of losers  :o

Looking great Al, do you have a color scheme picked out yet?

Brian

Brian wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Looking great Al, do you have a color scheme picked out yet? Brian

Nothing yet,

Hi Al:

This will make a nice big plane, will be nice to see it in the air.
Someone could use what is left over to build another one.

LDB

Al has been secretly testing the plane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsbxNHtuxzg

I am jealous.

waverider wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Al has been secretly testing the plane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsbxNHtuxzg

Looks like a little miniature man flying that thing. ;D

Brian wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Looking great Al, do you have a color scheme picked out yet? Brian

pink and purple!!!!  >:(

Hey Mark,

Thought you were sticking all electric?

How about a 150cc electric Ultimate!!!

Brian

Hi Al,

One more question...sry

What engine are you planning on putting in this?

I'm trying to find out the difference in quality/ reliability of a DLA vs DLE vs DM vs DA

obviously the DA 's are the best, but how do the others rate?

Thanks,

Brian

Brian wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

Hey Mark, Thought you were sticking all electric? How about a 150cc electric Ultimate!!! Brian

I am gearing up a 89" Extra 300 but it will be electric.  I should have it at Margaree.

Brian wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

I'm trying to find out the difference in quality/ reliability of a DLA vs DLE vs DM vs DA

This topic has been beat to death on every discussion forum known to man for a total of 9382 times.  I have seen many DA's die, DLE's die, 3W's die and so on.  With either one you roll the dice and hope it works.  DA seems to have the edge on customer service.



Brian wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

obviously the DA 's are the best, but how do the others rate?

Depends on your definition of "best".  You could ask 20 people the same question and get 20 different answers.  If I were foolish enough to be looking for a 50cc airframe shaker, I would probably end up with a DA60.

Thanks Mark,

That's kind of my impression from reading forums...

You should start a thread for your extra!  Love to see the fit out.

Brian

I will probably post a few pics of the power system as it comes together. Everything else is the typical cookie cutter setup.  Now lets keep this thread about Al's Yultimate.

LDB wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Hi Al: This will make a nice big plane, will be nice to see it in the air. Someone could use what is left over to build another one. LDB

LoL  It's mostly saw dust, but your welcome to have it.

waverider wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Al has been secretly testing the plane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsbxNHtuxzg

aeroDORKS???? BOO

Brian wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Hi Al, One more question...sry What engine are you planning on putting in this? I'm trying to find out the difference in quality/ reliability of a DLA vs DLE vs DM vs DA obviously the DA 's are the best, but how do the others rate? Thanks, Brian

I'm going to try a DA 85 in it. If that doesn't pull it well enough then I'm going to put a DA 120. That engine doesn't weigh much more then the 85.

( If I were foolish enough to be looking for a 50cc airframe shaker, I would probably end up with a DA60.)




LOL, look who's gone completely over to the dark side! ;D

Ramzz wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Brian wrote on Feb 4th, 2013 at 8:29am: Hey Mark, Thought you were sticking all electric? How about a 150cc electric Ultimate!!! Brian I am gearing up a 89" Extra 300 but it will be electric.  I should have it at Margaree.

Sweet Mark!  It will have a friend for my 87" electric Yak  ;D

I have a 88 inch Yak i got from Mark that will be ready also!

Ramzz wrote on Feb 4^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Brian wrote on Feb 4th, 2013 at 6:37pm: I'm trying to find out the difference in quality/ reliability of a DLA vs DLE vs DM vs DA This topic has been beat to death on every discussion forum known to man for a total of 9382 times.  I have seen many DA's die, DLE's die, 3W's die and so on.  With either one you roll the dice and hope it works.  DA seems to have the edge on customer service. Brian wrote on Feb 4th, 2013 at 6:37pm: obviously the DA 's are the best, but how do the others rate? Depends on your definition of "best".  You could ask 20 people the same question and get 20 different answers.  If I were foolish enough to be looking for a 50cc airframe shaker, I would probably end up with a DA60.

9383 but who's counting  >:(

Back on Al's "My new Ride" Topic please.

Thanks Everyone.  :)

Yes more Ultimate talk!  :D

Yak Man wrote on Feb 5^th, 2013 at 7:42am:

( If I were foolish enough to be looking for a 50cc airframe shaker, I would probably end up with a DA60.) LOL, look who's gone completely over to the dark side! ;D

:D

Well next we need to build some servo bays. This a shot of the rudder one, nothing crazy here.

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The rib formers will go on each side of the rails that the servos set on.

:-?mmmmm I seem to have lost my pic of the finish servo bay?
More on that later.

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Took some old balsa and glued it together to make a block and carved to shape.

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WOW,

looks great Al!

I think this is definitely a builders weekend coming up!  Looking forward to more picts!

Have you seen the Aeroworks Ultimate color schemes?  They look very cool and the colors should be easy to see.

Brian

Been a little busy with other things lately but manage to get a little more done.

More back end stuff. Rudder horns are installed.

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Now I can get a feel as to were the pull-pull cables will exit the side of the aircraft.

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Crudy looking slot but it will clean up nice.

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Things are winding down.
I have the whole plane up on the build table and am checking the incidence's on all the flying surface's.

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I was relieved to see the main wings are parallel. That's a lot of extra work avoided there! :)

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As it turns out the stab is off by about .5 of a degree.
A little sanding will fix that. No biggie. :)

The plane is almost ready to go to covering. :) :)


My helper

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Certainly looks sturdy enough, what colour scheme Al. :)

WOW, looking good. A big Ultimate..maybe one day.... ::)

JackDD wrote on Feb 17^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

Certainly looks sturdy enough, what colour scheme Al. :)

Well Jack, that's the hardest part of this.....what colour scheme?

I hate to say this, but damn if I know yet! :(

I'm open to suggestions.

http://www.airplanecolor.com/tutorial/paint_help.htm

Hi Al
Saw a black and yellow Ultimate in a hangar years ago in Ontario. It look pretty sharp looking.
The best colors for visibly to me is a dark red and white along with some black trim.
Hope it flies as good as the smaller Goldberg Ultimates.
Never had a plane that could fly as good as an Ultimate in all conditions.
Grant

JackDD wrote on Feb 17^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

Certainly looks sturdy enough, what colour scheme Al. :)

jeez it's black and white Jack....cripes it's sitting right there in the picture.. 8-)

as for plane. while I lean towards pink and purple, I have seen a yellow and black one that's pretty sharp.. ::)

Grant wrote on Feb 17^th, 2013 at 10:42am:

Hope it flies as good as the smaller Goldberg Ultimates. Never had a plane that could fly as good as an Ultimate in all conditions. Grant

Yes I would certainly agree with you on the Goldberg one.
If it fly like that, I'll be one happy guy. Or even close will do.

Yellow and black, Red and white, that's the problem, they all look great!
Well maybe not pink and purple? ;D

I'm kind of partial, to kelly's Zbach..Black white and Red.. 8-)

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JackDD wrote on Feb 17^th, 2013 at 7:31pm:

I'm kind of partial, to kelly's Zbach..Black white and Red.. 8-)

Yep I like that also but as of recently,  it's kind of done to death.

Googled this photo, thought was a nice colour scheme.

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Hi Al,

I like the Aeroworks color scheme...i think it would have good visibility, although with that monster, visibility probably isn't an issue...lol

Brian

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Ben Lann wrote on Feb 17^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Googled this photo, thought was a nice colour scheme.

I like Ben's scheme
but i would change the "red"
when I use to spray paint finishes using the epoxy paints
cough hack cough ...trouble breathing...

i use to take the red and add a little orange to the mix
it created the most vivid red i have ever seen

not sure where you would find a covering like that

then again the PA schema are nice
take a look at the Blue

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Ben Lann wrote on Feb 17^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Googled this photo, thought was a nice colour scheme.

Yep Ben I think thats a great looking one. Going on the short list. :)

Brian wrote on Feb 18^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Hi Al, I like the Aeroworks color scheme...i think it would have good visibility, although with that monster, visibility probably isn't an issue...lol Brian

Sorry Brian, can't do aerodorks. They are a bunch of &$^%  crooks.  Wouldn't give then the time of day. [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

PA is also very nice but I want something different.
This, to me is the hardest part. :-?

http://www.bretthunterairshows.com/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/worlds-most-creative-airplane-paint_n_1076783.html#s454765&title=Kulula_Air

:)

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waverider wrote on Feb 18^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

http://www.bretthunterairshows.com/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/worlds-most-creative-airplane-paint_n_1076783.html#s454765&title=Kulula_Air :)

Neat stuff :D

this may suit your fancy

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Yak Man wrote on Feb 18^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

Ben Lann wrote on Feb 17th, 2013 at 10:52pm: Googled this photo, thought was a nice colour scheme. Yep Ben I think thats a great looking one. Going on the short list. :)

That last one I posted you liked is actually a full size Ultimate based somewhere in Ontario.

I am on a mission now I found some more  ;D

I have also always liked Rob Holland's scheme although it is on a MXS-RH and not a bipe but might still work.

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Hi Al,

Just out of interest, why do you say that about Aeroworks?

Just asking....

Brian

Brian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

Hi Al, Just out of interest, why do you say that about Aeroworks? Just asking.... Brian

awwwww ghodd you had to ask......well, sit back and relax.....this'll take a while  >:(

Sorry Sandy!

It's just that i was looking at one of their planes and if there is a problem i'd like to know...

I'm sure he will keep it short...lol  ;)

Brian

Brian wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

Sorry Sandy! It's just that i was looking at one of their planes and if there is a problem i'd like to know... I'm sure he will keep it short...lol  ;) Brian

Brian, I don't want to get into that here. Let just say they sold me a piece of junk and seem to be quite ok with that.
If you want the whole story then call me. I would be more then happy to tell you about it.
A wise man once said, Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

Now back to the build. :)

I have to get this onto the plane.

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Lets have a look.
In this one you can see that the engine has an offset. that's common, but I didn't measure how far forward the engine had to go. That's proven to be a mistake, it's off by an inch and a half and to farther complicate things the cowl doesn't have the same offset as the firewall. :-?

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Normally I would machine out some stand offs but the 85 is a but of a shaker so a pedestal for the engine is a better choice.

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Al, the Oil sump is upside down.... ::)

Looking great, Al! You're ahead of me and I'm just sticking an ARF together. :-[ :-[

Looks Great Al!

Do you have any idea of what the final weight will be?

the 85 has lots of power from what i have read...cool!

Brian

Yak Man wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 7:55am:

How do you post more then one pic at a time?

Al where it has Attachments press the plus sign every time you'd like to post another image.

Just like Ben said. Click on link.

http://www.avonflyers.ns.ca/cgi-bin/Forum/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=attachments.JPG

You can have up to 15 attachments 1.5 M in size.


Bruce

JackDD wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 8:40am:

Al, the Oil sump is upside down.... ::)

Yep!  I have a reverse sump pump add-on, on it's way! :D

Brian wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 9:17am:

Looks Great Al! Do you have any idea of what the final weight will be? the 85 has lots of power from what i have read...cool! Brian

I'm shooting for about 20lb but time will tell.

Ben Lann wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Yak Man wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 7:55am: How do you post more then one pic at a time? Al where it has Attachments press the plus sign every time you'd like to post another image.

Thanks Ben and Mr Blender. I see it now.

Here we have a few shots of the offset ring I have to make to get the spinner to line up with the  cowl. This is a pile of work that shouldn't have been needed, not to mention things like this can add weight on fast!

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The ring gets epoxy on.

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Next I need to make a fillet around the outside to seal it up and to get it shaped correctly. I like west system epoxy for this.
It's a great product that sands well and well suited for this job.
The 410 weights nothing and is a great filler that withstands gravity.

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It's about 11 bucks a can and this can will last me for the rest of my life.

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I know it looks like a lot on there but the majority of it will be sanded off. That's for tomorrow.

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Looking good Al. That stuff should make a nice finish.

wow, Al..Great stuff, reminds me of the good ol' days...of mighty men, and wooden planes...or was it mighty planes and wooden men..I can't remember.. ::)
Can't wait to see it fly. :)

That 410 product looks great (my builds usually take a lot of filler :(  ).  What are its advantages over West System's 406 microballoons?

MkIX wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:19am:

That 410 product looks great (my builds usually take a lot of filler :(  ).  What are its advantages over West System's 406 microballoons?

I think the biggest difference is the stuff is plastic as apposed to foam. It's a little stronger and will feather to the finest of an edge.

This stuff sands great! I'm about 10 min in and the worst is over. :)

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A little primer and sand again.

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A view of the bottom and the side. :)

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Just some random shots. :)

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In this final few the cowl is bolted to the airframe and some good stuff installed.  I'm pleased with the way this turned out. West System 410 is a great product! 8-)

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Excellent job Al!!  Superb workmanship!!

Bruce

I agree with Bruce; excellent workmanship. 

No matter which colour scheme you choose it will look great.

Getting back to the West System 410; where did you buy it?

MkIX wrote on Feb 25^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Getting back to the West System 410; where did you buy it?

Lee Valley Tools.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=20016&cat=1,110,42965,20016

Hi Guys,

You can also buy the West system products at Burnside fiberglass, ask for Sandy or Carl and tell them i sent you...who knows they might give you my pricing....we buy a LOT of stuff there!

If there was enough interest i can purchase things there for a group at a much reduced price.

Brian

Any more progress Al?  I am having Ultimate withdrawal over here   :(

Sorry Ben. There's been a couple of little odds and ends but   it's been in limbo waiting for the balsa-rite and covering to come in. So I've been working on my jet.

Oooooo jet sounds exciting  :D can't wait to check that out too!

:)Well the covering is finally started. Kinda of doing this by the seat of my pants.  :) This is what I have so far.

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In this one I have all the colours cut for the top wing.
That's tomorrow nights job.

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Niiiice....

wellll, from where I'm sitting the seat of your pants ain't too shabby..

Great choice Al.  I really like the scheme.

Al, you need to Patent the scheme, before some1 copies it... ::)

not too shabby, Al. Looks great.

It look nice....real nice.

JackDD wrote on Mar 18^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Al, you need to Patent the scheme, before some1 copies it... ::)

Thanks Jack, and guys.
Truth be known, I stole a little of this and a little of that from other schemes i have seen.

Here's some more.
Covering the bottom of the top wing.

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Running string so the wires will go in easy.

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The top wing is secured with a couple of socket caps. This should make it a little easier to assemble at the field.

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Other then the black the wings are for the most part covered.
I also got a start on the fuse. What a pile of work this is. :P
ARFs are easier. :-?

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You da man!!  :intheair  Looks real nice Al. By the way your going it won`t be many more weeks before you maiden it.

Bruce

Just a few more sneak peek shots.

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She's looking great, Al! Hmmm... 12 bolts to attach the wings, lots of servo wires to connect and you'll still be in the air before me >:(

Steve Mosher wrote on Mar 20^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

She's looking great, Al! Hmmm... 12 bolts to attach the wings, lots of servo wires to connect and you'll still be in the air before me >:(

he"ll be in the air before we get out of the restaurant parking lot after brekkie... :)

The airframe sure looks great!  The covering scheme should really pop in the air.  It has been so long since I have built an airframe that I wouldn't know where to start.   :o

Me likey likey!

WOW, she sure is a beauty!

Can't wait to see the maiden....

Brian

stopped by and visited the new ride the other night......crap that guy can build.... :violin

Thanks for the kind words again guys.  Sandy, breaky is on me.
Your too kind


I had to take a break from it for a bit. Starting to not be fun.  Here's some more.  I'm getting there.

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These pics aren't  necessarily in the right order, but you get the idea.

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I was going to buy a carbon gear for it but I decided to do this instead and see what happens. Took 5 oz off this gear and it sure made a difference.
Only time will tell if it will stand up.

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ummmmm, piece of emery cloth wrapped around your finger and go at it eh??  :Naaah

Yak Man wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 9:35am:

I was going to buy a carbon gear for it but I decided to do this instead and see what happens. Took 5 oz off this gear and it sure made a difference. Only time will tell if it will stand up.

Al how did you make the swages?

Wow! That's serious dedication to mimizing weight.

So; when do you add the guns?

tried to get him to put on a round engine but no luck... :Fun_bat

waverider wrote on Apr 14^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Yak Man wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 9:35am: I was going to buy a carbon gear for it but I decided to do this instead and see what happens. Took 5 oz off this gear and it sure made a difference. Only time will tell if it will stand up.  Al how did you make the swages?

I used a 1/2" round nose mill and this.

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Would it be ok if I moved into your shop so I can play with your mill?   :D

Gotta love a workshop with lots and lots of tools....and stuff.

Good Morning Al,

Just wondering how you plan on syncing your aileron servos? 

Are you using a "matchbox"?  What is your opinion of these?

Thanks,

Brian

Brian

I have never used a matchbox before and know very little about then. I'm a Futaba guy.

I plan to run each servo in it's own channel onto an s-bus hub.
That way I can adjust each one individually with the transmitter.  8-)

This s-bus stuff is really neat. the receiver only has 2 channels and 2 s-bus ports in it, runs on a 2S lypo and is very small.
It's the lightest radio set-up I have ever had! :D

Ok, i didnt think of that....i have the 8FG radio so i assume i can do the same thing? :-[

Dam, time to read the manual! >:(

Thanks Al

Brian...   The 8FG is a great radio system and will do S-bus.
For that matter any Futaba tx will work an S-bus system.

Had the plane out to Todds shop to get some paint on the cowl landing gear and wheel pants.
Man he does nice work! The plane looks great!

Thanks Twinkle Toes :)

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This plane is kind of like an ARF now. I'm waiting on some servos, but once they arrive I'll be able to finish it up.
I'm thinking 2 weeks for the maiden.
Sure hope it flys good.

Here's a size her up shot or two. The plane is not that big.

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Yak Man wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:42am:

Brian...   The 8FG is a great radio system and will do S-bus. For that matter any Futaba tx will work an S-bus system. Had the plane out to Todds shop to get some paint on the cowl landing gear and wheel pants. Man he does nice work! The plane looks great! Thanks Twinkle Toes :)

The paint on the cowl looks amazing.  But how come no flames?  ;D

man!!!! twinkle toes can sure paint can't he?  :first

hope you wait till I'm back from Ottawa to maiden that thing Cool..

WOW!

Smoking!!

Please post when you intend to maiden...love to be there!!

Brian

Kinda looks like my old shop with my old Yak and my old 260.   :)

The paint, the covering, and the colours/pattern make the plane look fantastic.  Great job Al.

I'm using S-bus in my Top Flight Spitfire.  One connection to the receiver for each of two aileron servos and one flap servo.  Works just fine. Radio is T14SG.

Ramzz wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 8:56pm:

Kinda looks like my old shop with my old Yak and my old 260.   :)

Yep,  Did you notice the tail crunch on the Extra? That manage to get into the garage door one day. Of all the ways I could have imagine  busting the tail, that wasn't one of them. >:(

Ben Lann wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

Yak Man wrote on Apr 26th, 2013 at 5:42am: Brian...   The 8FG is a great radio system and will do S-bus. For that matter any Futaba tx will work an S-bus system. Had the plane out to Todds shop to get some paint on the cowl landing gear and wheel pants. Man he does nice work! The plane looks great! Thanks Twinkle Toes :) The paint on the cowl looks amazing.  But how come no flames?  ;D

Maybe later :)

Brian wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

WOW! Smoking!! Please post when you intend to maiden...love to be there!! Brian

I don't have a date in mind. Once it done the weather will dictate when it happens. I'll probably do it on a spur of the moment.

yeh! You'll wait till I'm away and do it..  :protest :violin

Any new pictures for those of us that love bips?

Well the plane is finally in the air!  It has some issues but should be a great flyer 8-)

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[smiley=thumbsup.gif] Looking good, Al! Congrats!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Well, that sure looks like Truro to me  :-[

But you gotta admit, that plane looks right some fine.... [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

Fingers wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 8:03am:

Well, that sure looks like Truro to me  :-[ But you gotta admit, that plane looks right some fine.... [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

can't be Truro: there aren't any shotgun pellet holes in it
:party