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Message started by JackDD on Dec 9th, 2012 at 2:16pm

Title: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 9th, 2012 at 2:16pm
Finally decided what to build..
Any1 have a spare .91 lying around... :)
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Steve Mosher on Dec 10th, 2012 at 10:19am
Nice plane, Jack!

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 10th, 2012 at 11:43am
Still Have the Black 1 Half completed, But wanted to go fly soon...I have a asp .91 coming, hope it not too light... :)

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by dano on Dec 10th, 2012 at 1:39pm
Nice model Jack.
Will you have functioning retracts?

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 10th, 2012 at 8:44pm
Yep E-flite Electrikery with scale pumatic oleo's.. ;)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=21162

:o

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Fingers on Dec 11th, 2012 at 9:51am
super looking plane Jack....... yet another war bird... >:(

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by MkIX on Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:49pm
One seat, one engine, and guns....it looks great!

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by MkIX on Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:50pm
Well, actually it has two seats but it would be possible to fly it with only one seat occupied.

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Fingers on Dec 13th, 2012 at 9:25am
yupper...
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 7:51am
The Plane's in..Gotta go Pick it up for the Tree.
I have the Engine also...10 Days Via Cathay Pacific ;D

Now where are all my tools.. :o

Cant seem to post pic will start a pic thread on Picassa :(

Gave up with the pics, Here's a link if anyone is interested..
https://plus.google.com/photos/114233763345152823731/albums/5824734845128005617
Jack >:(
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Glen on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 7:34pm
Does that mean it will be under the tree built ?

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 9:11am
That's my Xmas wish, glen...are you offering?
:)
I do have to open said box, to verify if their is any damage, you understand :-)  ;D
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Ramzz on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 11:12am
I have the same ASP 91 in a Hangar 9 Spitfire and it is a real sweetheart.  Don't expect big power but it purrs like a kitten, holds a tune well, starts very well and it has a great reliable low idle.

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Fingers on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 11:35am
ooh, ooh ooh is it done yet?? ;)

Just kidding Jack. This looks like a sweet plane..

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 12:32pm

Ramzz wrote on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 11:12am:
I have the same ASP 91 in a Hangar 9 Spitfire and it is a real sweetheart.  Don't expect big power but it purrs like a kitten, holds a tune well, starts very well and it has a great reliable low idle.


Great News Mark, do you have any Video..?
Is the Butterfly thingy, on the back, the Choke?

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 1:33pm
Well I peeked in the Box :(
Little bit of Damage on the Under wing Hardpoints..Have to Call Chuckie from Buffalo Air, to give me a hand...He can fix anything.. ::)

On a good note Seagull already glued the Servo mounts on for me.. ::)
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 24th, 2012 at 11:06am
Repaired the Damage, no Biggy.. :D

I'm pretty impressed with Seagull they actually have 2 position for each Flap servo, for installation depending whether you have a servo reverser or not...Also holes for each control horn are drilled, depending which 1 you need to use.. :o
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 24th, 2012 at 11:07am
Without reverser..
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 25th, 2012 at 9:40am
Wings, with Ordnance...
They had a lot of Fin Damage..More Glue :o

Biggest Scud Missile I've ever seen..Watch out Fingers... ::)
Not a Sidewinder for sure 8-)
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 25th, 2012 at 9:41am
Right side..
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 25th, 2012 at 10:48am
Business end...
I could get the 26cc in if I tried hard, Lots of room.. :)
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Yak Man on Dec 25th, 2012 at 11:07am
That's nice!  [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 25th, 2012 at 11:35am

Yak Man wrote on Dec 25th, 2012 at 11:07am:
That's nice!  [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Geez Al, Its Big...That a 6ft Table its on...

Here's 1 for you Al, what should I do Here...Its the Choke needle..? :-?
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Fingers on Dec 25th, 2012 at 1:26pm
yup that's the choke needle - the upper one that is.

some 4 strokes will start fine without choking, but you'd have to try it to find out  :-? otherwise you'll have to find a cool place to punch a big hole through the side of your cowl  >:(


Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by dano on Dec 25th, 2012 at 3:11pm
What a looker.
You'l be top gun with that warbird...
Nice plane Jack.

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 25th, 2012 at 3:25pm
Haha...

Pretty near done, will post some pics with the BAF Roundelles on later..
Dan, what do you think of the hobby king Elec Retracts here...
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=21162
8-)
Jack
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by dano on Dec 25th, 2012 at 3:38pm
Jack, you couldn't not go with retracts on a plane like that!
The retracts look robust and should stand up.
The price makes them a real bargain.
Looking forward to seeing it...

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Yak Man on Dec 26th, 2012 at 9:11am

JackDD wrote on Dec 25th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Yak Man wrote on Dec 25th, 2012 at 11:07am:
That's nice!  [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Geez Al, Its Big...That a 6ft Table its on...

Here's 1 for you Al, what should I do Here...Its the Choke needle..? :-?


Yep, Fingers nailed it.  Just don't use the choke. If you have a problem getting it wet to start, then just tap on the end of the muffler when it's spinning on a starter to wet it. It will go!  :)

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 26th, 2012 at 4:13pm
Yep, It'll be a pain with 2 holes there... ;)

What prop size do I need to Break this Baby in, Guys ::)
A three blade would look cool... ::)

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by administrator on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:20pm
Hey Jack:  That looks exactly like my PC9.  I'm using the ASP 120 and was thinking of using an inverted pitts muffler so I wouldn't have to cut up the side of the cowl.  Are you using the standard muffler, and if so, will you have to cut the side of the cowl?

Bruce

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Grant on Dec 27th, 2012 at 7:10am
Hi Jack
Nice looking plane.
Don't have an ASP but on our 91's OS and YS we found the 13 10 prop to be the best. I believe they say a 13 8 for the ASP
On my old YS 91 I went as high as a 14 12 but the 14 10 worked a lot better . If I can remember correctly the OS was happier on the 13 10.

Kevin was here yesterday and remarked about that nylon or plastic engine mount. We use metal mounts instead .If your engine shows any sign of vibration you might want to use a metal mount.
Grant

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 27th, 2012 at 7:39am
Ok Grant, 1'll go the 13*8 to start, better ground clearance also...I thought about the mount, I will watch it closely. Are you concerned about it cracking? :-?

Bruce, I'm just going with the side muffler for now, the Hole should be aft of the Turbine Exhaust. I'll post pics of the cowl tonight. Where's your Pics.. :-?

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Grant on Dec 27th, 2012 at 8:33am
Hi Jack
I don't think it will ever crack or break, but we have found anything around 91 and up there is so much movement (Flexing) Yours might be a stiffer material but as you put more load on the engine (Bigger Prop)they tend to move around. The only problem with a metal mount is you transfer all that motion to your plane.
I soft mount anything over a 91
Kevin uses hard mounts and never seems to have a problem.
Grant

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 28th, 2012 at 9:24am
Hi Grant,
The engine mounts looks like Teflon to me not plastic.
what should I do here for the exhaust hole in the cowl? :-?
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Grant on Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:49am
Hi Jack
Probably not enough.It would be good idea to run that new motor without the cowl at least for a couple of runs. That way the motor won't get to hot on the first run and will have a chance to cool down quicker. Then you will  be able to see how much the engine is going to move.
On my shaky engines I always leave at least 3/8 around anything that comes out of the cowl.
If the engine head hits or muffler it can make an awful mess
on a fiberglass cowl.
Grant

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 28th, 2012 at 12:36pm
Yes I Plan to do that without the cowl on this weekend, and I have enlarged the hole significantly, but what do you suggest I do, :o install the cowl then screw on the muffler, then try to tighten,  ::)or install the muffler, then try to fit the cowl over and elliptical muffler hole? :-?

Bemused... :-?

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Grant on Dec 28th, 2012 at 1:04pm
Hi Jack
This has always been a problem.
I installed a tunnel and a small pipe to get around  that problem on the P 47.
My Ulitmate have the standard muffler and also my Yak.
In the Yak I was able to install a Pitts style muffler but I still have to take of the silicon tube to take the cowl of.
On my Ulitmate  I screw the muffler on after the cowl is in place. The  fiberglass flexes enough that I can do this
I then use that 700 Degree silicon and hope my muffler does not come off.
Grant

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 28th, 2012 at 1:52pm
Ok Grant, Plan "B" then Install Muffler after Cowl. :o

Here some more progress, Do you think I have enough Decals on Yet ::)
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 28th, 2012 at 1:53pm
Cockpit Detail...
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 28th, 2012 at 1:55pm
More..
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 29th, 2012 at 12:22pm
Okay Red or Black spinner Guys?
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by administrator on Dec 29th, 2012 at 1:04pm
Definitely black IMHO; however, if it was my plane, I would paint the spinner pink. (but thats just me  :))

Bruce



Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by dano on Dec 29th, 2012 at 1:36pm
Red is good IMO
It kinda says HERE I COME !

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Danster on Dec 29th, 2012 at 11:07pm
Black!

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:40am
Well, it's not going to be pink, we have a serious Warbird here.. ::)
Red is too close to pink, so Black it is... ;)

I'm not going to use the plastic Red one supplied, it'll fly off in a minute.. 8-)

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Steve Mosher on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:52am
Good choice on the spinner, Jack. Nice plane!

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Fingers on Dec 31st, 2012 at 9:45am

administrator wrote on Dec 29th, 2012 at 1:04pm:
Definitely black IMHO; however, if it was my plane, I would paint the spinner pink. (but thats just me  :))

Bruce



Right On bubbles..... pink or purple   ::)


Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Jan 5th, 2013 at 3:19pm
Well I guess Aluminium wins...
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by crash on Jan 5th, 2013 at 9:36pm
Nice plane Jack!!! You'll probably want to change your engine mount. I found that the ones that come with Seagull arfs flex too much which can cause problems later on.

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Danster on Feb 16th, 2013 at 11:10pm
The spinner looks about 1/2" too small Jack. What size is it, and what's the specs on the plane overall?

On Jon's and I, we are starting off with a18x10 or even a 19x12 APC e-prop!!! [smiley=shocked.gif].

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Feb 17th, 2013 at 7:48pm
It's a 3" I believe Dan, I Might be wrong, with a 13*8 prop, But I only have the ASP.91 in her.
What would you recommend?

I do have a 3 blade 13*8 but have to wait to get a prop spinner for that...





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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 12:48pm
hey guys have my Elec retracts, does anyone have some pics, with recommendations for the nose wheel steering? :-? I don't want to use push pull wires, they are problematic...
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 1:07pm
Nosewheel steering arm...
Wheel retracts toward the signal cable... :)
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Brian on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:00am
Nice Jack,

Like the aluminum spinner the best anyway.

Brian

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Yak Man on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 7:17am
Nice looking gear!  Question, how did you get the nose one to stand up like that? ;) lol

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 8:23am
Haha...you think if I could get the nose wheel to stand up by itself, I should be able to rig some steering up... ::)

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Feb 28th, 2013 at 8:44am
Hey, Al
I've decided not to use this retract set, the nose wheel is to short, and cant be extended... :'(
I'm going to order a set of these, or the main units only, then put a standard set of legs and wheels on. :o
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__21164__Turnigy_Full_Metal_Servoless_Retract_with_140mm_Oleo_Legs_Tricycle_1_20_class.html
Jack

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Mar 11th, 2013 at 8:17am
Still havn't decided what oleo set to put on..Any1 have experience with these RC Landers sets? :-?
http://www.sonicelectric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ERS-Strut-E&Category_Code=LDERS&Product_Count=10

Jack :o

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by waverider on Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:17am
not sure if there is anything suitable here
http://shop.rcskylite.com/categories/Struts/

design help
http://faculty.dwc.edu/sadraey/Chapter%209.%20Landing%20Gear%20Design.pdf

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Yak Man on Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:33am
http://www.altecare.com/struts.htm

Try this place for quality and great experience for questions with the right answers.

Al

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:52am
Thanks Guys, This basic Tri unit here, seems to fit the bill...
http://shop.rcskylite.com/products/60%252d120-Class-Pro-Oleo-Struts.html
The Dimensions help immensely  :o
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Danster on Mar 11th, 2013 at 7:50pm
Can't go wrong with struts from Robart.

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Mar 12th, 2013 at 10:11am
gees, Dan I'd like to compare, but they don't seem to have it all there yet...
http://www.robart.com/products/hangar-9-phoenix-electric-tri-gear ::)

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Grant on Mar 12th, 2013 at 11:49am
Hi Jack
Had a problem ordering a part (Electric Actuator).
I email them and they responded with the correct part number . It didn't show it in there parts but they did have it.
Grant

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Mar 12th, 2013 at 1:11pm
Thanks Grant, I've ordered an Electric set from HK anyway, as I have a us limit switch on the E-Flite  nosewheel on the Jackal anyway. :(
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Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 5:51am
Finally got round to flying the Tucano, as expected, it flew very well..
http://youtu.be/Db0gcLKofPM
http://youtu.be/Db0gcLKofPM
Jack

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by administrator on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 10:17am
"Bring her Home Daddy" ??  Was that a porno or a Seagull Super Tucano Landing??? ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:23pm
I'll pass that on to fran,  ::)

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Steve Mosher on Sep 1st, 2013 at 6:06pm
from the Jet World Masters (I want one of these!)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaLm4ZEUKpc

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by JackDD on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 6:52pm
Krikey those hills were close.
Love the colour scheme [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

Title: Re: Seagull Super Tucano
Post by Fingers on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 8:24am
sounds like an electric  ::)

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