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Message started by Davey Crockett on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:45am

Title: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:45am
Hey guys, I started my Su-31 build today and so far so good. I do need a little bit of advice however. I'm ready to install the dihedral brace and join the wings. The instructions say to simply expoy the brace in place to join the wings. I'm wondering if is should also removed the covering at the joint and apply epoxy the whole joint as well... I would think that would add further strength and that can't be a bad thing...

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Grant on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:07pm
Hi Dave 
I would think both sides of the wing root rib should have some glue on them otherwise you would have a weak joint.I always used fiberglass on the center section but you probably don't need to do that especially where the covering is already on there.
I like your handle King Of The Wild Nextstars.
Grant

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:11pm
Thanks Grant, it seemed to only make sense to get some sort of adhesive in there... But the manual doesn't call for it... Mind you it also told me to CA the hardwood blocks in for the servos... Needless to say that got a hit of epoxy instead...

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Brian on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:31pm
Hi Davey,

What is the wingspan?

Can we see some pictures?

Brian

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 2:41pm
I'll up some pics soon. It's just a little tiny guy... 56 inch wing span... Going to run an OS FS-70 surpass in it

Dave

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:16pm
Aileron servos mounted... Check
Wings joined... Check
Tail assembled.... Check
Belly pan installed... Check

Now if I could only figure out this engine mounting stuff I'd almost be in business lol... I'm thinking to go inverted, but I know that can lead to headaches... Also I don't think the 8oz fuel tank in this kit is large enough... Thoughts?

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Grant on Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:13am
Hi Dave
An 8 0z tank is pretty small.Wouldn't give you much time in the air.

ENGINE       Tank
40 size        8 oz
70 size        10 to 12 if it will fit
90 size        12 to 14 oz
110 to 140  16 oz
140 to 170  16 to 20 oz
With the inverted engine ,you have to make sure they don't get full of fuel to start with "Flood".
Some planes are more suited for an inverted engine setup.Once they are running there is no difference.
Grant

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:24am
Thanks Grant, Tower actually lists this DUBRO 12 oz tank as the replacement...

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXD719&P=V

I may throw one of those in her. After taking a close look at the tank position and the engine I think inverted should be fine. The needle valve will be above the centre of the tank and from what I understand that's essential to prevent flooding... I should be ready for the air this weekend it I can get that tank, but two weekends from now 100%  :D

Now I just need to find someone to maiden it for me

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Grant on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:18pm
Hi Dave
Dubro tanks are good,been using them for years.
12 oz is the way to go.
Being a member of the Avon club for only 2 years you bring up a good point about getting help. Other clubs have always had instructors.
I'm not sure about Avon,don't think we need them.
I think all you have to do is ask and most guys would be willing to help.
Some I know are not comfortable flying another plane .
With all the talent we have at AVIA  you should have no problem getting help.
I know at one time you had to have an instructor and do a few things before you were awarded your Macc Wings.
Not sure how it works now or if it is reqired.
I'll see if I can find the format we use to folow.
Grant

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Joe  Di Profio on Apr 24th, 2012 at 12:56pm
Pretty sure if you can make 3 circuits and take out the crapper on your forth, you get your wings. If the crapper is occupied at the time, you get an added bonus.  :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on Apr 24th, 2012 at 1:11pm
Davey, lots of us were instructors elsewhere.....you've already used Capt. Cool, and someone had you up on the buddy box first day....thats a good place to start

AND, if as Joe says the crapper is occupied when you take it out, YOU become an instructor.. 8-)

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:16pm
Haha, As far as instruction... I'm sticking with Mike and Al (if I'm not driving them crazy). I just need someone to take this darn thing up for me while I hide in the car (seeing that I assembled it, we may also need to clear the pits)

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:41pm
we usually let the instructors have the fun of maidening...

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Brian on Apr 24th, 2012 at 5:27pm
Hi Davey,

I know the feeling....but i can tell you from experience, it is better to wait till you are ready to maiden a new plane and do it yourself. 

There is lots more satisfaction in it!

Brian

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by whitey on Apr 24th, 2012 at 6:40pm
Hey Dave. I don't mind putting it in....I mean up for you. We'll go over it with a fine tooth comb at my place before we bring it out to the field. :)

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Joe  Di Profio on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:58pm
Gross and Gross...yet another broke back moment. That said, the old TT Pro is back in the Florio now. May need a little throttle servo tweak and perhaps the kill switch. Other than that, it should be good to go.

I am going to have a look at the Wild Pube next. Have to start with the simple stuff. I will work my way to the impossible crap. (For Me)  ;)

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by whitey on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:15pm
Joe, i meant putting the plane in the ground, you pervert!

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Yak Man on Apr 25th, 2012 at 3:07pm

whitey wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
Joe, i meant putting the plane in the ground, you pervert!



Ofcourse thats what you meant :-?

Twinkie Driver

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 26th, 2012 at 7:35am
Whoa... This has gone to a place that may haunt my dreams for life...

On a less disturbing note, I picked up the fuel tank and remote glow adapter yesterday, and am expecting a Miracle Switch + Fuel Dot to arrive today or tomorrow...

http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/mrc1switchdotred.html

Do have to admit, I was pretty pumped when I found this little guy. It should incorporate into the Golden Arches covering scheme this plane has... Mike is going to lend me some tutelage with the engine mounting (and tank install but shhhhhhh... he doesn't know that part yet) tonight.

Now the biggest question of the build... Do I remove the butt-ugly pilot? (The thought of keeping him makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit)   
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Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by administrator on Apr 26th, 2012 at 8:16am
Yea, I'd turf it. Looks too much like Whitey!!!!   ;D ;D

Bruce

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Joe  Di Profio on Apr 26th, 2012 at 8:23am
Hehahahahaa!!  ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on Apr 26th, 2012 at 9:01am

Davy Crockett wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 7:35am:
Whoa... This has gone to a place that may haunt my dreams for life...

On a less disturbing note, I picked up the fuel tank and remote glow adapter yesterday, and am expecting a Miracle Switch + Fuel Dot to arrive today or tomorrow...

http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/mrc1switchdotred.html



Do have to admit, I was pretty pumped when I found this little guy. It should incorporate into the Golden Arches covering scheme this plane has... Mike is going to lend me some tutelage with the engine mounting (and tank install but shhhhhhh... he doesn't know that part yet) tonight.

Now the biggest question of the build... Do I remove the butt-ugly pilot? (The thought of keeping him makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit)   


was looking at one of those "switch/dot" thingy's down at John's the other day, class act. As for the pilot - gotta have one... the trick is to find a theme... Twinkie uses fishermen (or is was that John Cabot Trail) when he has one. Kelly's are pretty fowl, Colin leans towards RiceRocket drivers. I think it's Les who has the cleavage factor tied down...
Too bad you can't find a Davey Crockett figure....man that hat would turn heads.. >:(

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by administrator on Apr 26th, 2012 at 10:35am
Hey Five Fingers. You getting forgetfull. I'm the one who has the cleavage in the plane. Les just looks at cleavage all day.  ;D  ;D

Bruce

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on Apr 26th, 2012 at 10:43am
I stand corrected, or is that deducted....nope still have all 5.


Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Yak Man on Apr 26th, 2012 at 3:39pm
HA HA you guys kill me ;D

Fingers, it Finnigan. ;D ;D

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 26th, 2012 at 3:43pm
Dunny's it is... I'm going to use these guys as pilots...
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Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on Apr 27th, 2012 at 10:53am
Hot Damn those are neat  ::)  I vote for the 3 eyed guy, second row, second from the left........

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on Apr 27th, 2012 at 10:55am

administrator wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 10:35am:
Hey Five Fingers. You getting forgetfull. I'm the one who has the cleavage in the plane. Les just looks at cleavage all day.  ;D  ;D

Bruce


yeh, you gotta be careful when you bend over a plane at the field and HE's around, wrong cleavage but he doesn't seem to mind.... :D

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by whitey on Apr 27th, 2012 at 10:55am
Very Scale

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 27th, 2012 at 7:19pm
Just a scale as Ol' Pink Jacques the current pilot... that dude is just plain ugly

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by whitey on Apr 27th, 2012 at 8:06pm
O'l Pink Jacques looks like something you'd buy at Night Magic. Oui,Oui, Monsieur Jacques. :D

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davey Crockett on Apr 27th, 2012 at 8:42pm
Lolz

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davy Crockett on May 15th, 2012 at 6:34am
The tank is going in tonight, and the cowl should get fitted. Just a couple of servos to go in and the Suk should be ready for beginner IMAC routines on Saturday. With the current weather forecast, I may need to pick up some more fuel, because I plan on flying my a** off this weekend :) Let's all hope they aren't lying to us all...

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on May 15th, 2012 at 12:40pm
First of all, what the heck's wrong with Pink???? I'll have you kn ow some of my finer endeavors were pink........ with a little purple thrown in  :-?

Second, can you get this guy?? Just soloed a few weeks ago and already he's nicknaming his planes......... "SUK" .... :(

In keeping with his trend we now have a field of Ex's (mine), Sb's, Ya's... although there is still that Twinkie Elton Torch screaming around...

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Yak Man on May 15th, 2012 at 3:36pm
Thats Sir Elton to you Pinkies! >:(

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on May 15th, 2012 at 4:09pm

Yak Man wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 3:36pm:
Thats Sir Elton to you Pinkies! >:(


Sir Twinkie.." yup, that works for me... ;D ;D

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Yak Man on May 15th, 2012 at 8:24pm
>:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Joe  Di Profio on May 18th, 2012 at 11:54am
Don't make me start name creation, or some will be sorry they started the game. Just sayin!  :-/

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on May 18th, 2012 at 12:07pm

Joe  Di Profio wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 11:54am:
Don't make me start name creation, or some will be sorry they started the game. Just sayin!  :-/


and of course we can never forget the Wild Ha ... :o

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davy Crockett on May 18th, 2012 at 9:57pm
She's done... Not sure she'll be maidened tomorrow... But I'll bring her to the feild. Perhaps someone can lend me some tuning and balancing assistance...  :-/

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Yak Man on May 19th, 2012 at 3:55am
No problem to do that Dave.

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Davy Crockett on May 19th, 2012 at 4:15am
Thanks Al :)

Title: Re: Phoenix Sukhoi Su-31
Post by Fingers on May 20th, 2012 at 2:44pm
and maiden it did...... well done Davy...

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