After long deliberation, I finally hit the "buy" button and ordered this for a winter project. 95" wingspan should be big enough for my old eyes to see. A couple of DLE-20's and retracts should complete the setup. :)

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Holy Cow. :o :o :o :o :o  I can't wait to see that fly!!! What a great project Steve.

Bruce

OOOOOOH, very pretty, I must make sure I get the zero ready so I can shoot you down. Cool is going to be jealous, I know this was on his short list of "to gets".

Way to go Steve...... one uping Capt. Cool - he was very interested in that plane  :)

Warbirds in the Atlantic will be a hit this summer..

Thanks, guys. I'm really looking forward to this project.

I do find it ironic that working all those extra hours and weekends that kept me from doing any flying this year resulted in a bonus cheque that is being partially used to fund this project. ;)

of course, with our crumbling infrastructure you'll be so bust next summer you won't have time to fly it, if you DO get it built.... gorgeous plane Steve..

I'll fly it for you if you're too busy Steve, I won't even charge you.  ;)

Appreciate the offer, Glen - not many would be so nice as to do that for me  ;). Should I just leave it in the shed?  ;D ;D

Sure, tell me when you put it out there, I don't even need a key  ;D

Hey, Glen..Get in line, and take a number..:)

AHHHHHH shucks !!!! You guys are never at the field. :'( :'(  I'll fly it for you Steve.  Always wanted to fly a low inverted pass with a twin. :D :D :D

Bruce

Now there's an offer, Bruce - just be sure to get a picture, ok? ;)

Now, if I can just finish dealing with Troy Built Models with loosing my mind, I'll be all set. :) :)

steve, you can always try these guy's :

http://www.arfpromodelplanes.com/

Tried ARFPRO's first, Glen. Sent them a few emails but got no response at all. Only problem with TRM is this is my first order with them. They require some additional ID confirmation for your first order if you are are not located in the US. I have everything sent to them and they have confirmed the orders - even broke then down so shipping would be the cheapest. Just have to patiently wait for some BIG boxes now...

Ordered two DLE-20's and the electric retracts. The Generation 1 retracts are a bit slow (40 - 60 seconds to open or close but the G2 Upgrade due out in the Spring will speed them up to around 10 seconds which should look nice. Best part - no air leaks!

Didn't really think this out too well though - I have numerous scale "cockpits" to work on - cockpit, nose gunner, upper turret etc. >:( There goes the winter, I guess.

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administrator wrote on Dec 26^th, 2011 at 8:18am:

I'll fly it for you Steve.  Always wanted to fly a low inverted pass with a twin. :D :D :D Bruce

Oh boy! Oh boy! Oh Boy! I can't wait.  Sends chills up my spine. :-* :-* :-*

Outstanding Steve, I was going to mention the new electrics, If they work anywhere as good as the lado's I have in the mustang you'll love them.

Little wonder you had bad luck with ARFPRO Steve... heck, they're in Venice for Pete's sake.... likely dont even speak English..:-X
bye the time they shipped something by "slow gondola" it would take as long to get here as it takes me to build....... ;)

Great choice Steve, looking forward to seeing you at the field with this beauty.
Seems like "Warbirds over the Atlantic" is evolving....

Thanks, Dan. Looking forward to it although I haven't flown a tricycle gear plane for around 20 years. ;) ;) Order should be shippped from TBM in the morning since they have everything in stock (unlike a "local" supplier who only had 4 out 13 items in stock from an order I placed last night >:().

Hmmmm, let see...

Estimated delivery time - one week
TBM estimated construction time - 40-50 hours
ESM factor - 40-50 hours ;)
Main cockpit, upper turret, rear turret, nose section - ????

Total = see you at the field in 2014  :D ;) :D

Man thats a cool plane Steve! Was on  my list but I'm way too poor now :-/ ;D
Looking forward to seeing it when it comes in.

Do you think 40 to 50 hours is enough time for the ESM factor. ;D

Al

Steve Who??

The twin engine Steve...You know :-?

ohhhhhh Steve Neveround - that guy

No no, you know..

I guess we're hijacking your thread Steve

The kit finally arrived last night after visiting Quebec twice and then doing a tour of every state on the east coast (thanks very much, UPS  >:(). Extremely well packed and arrived with no damage.

So far, the kit looks good. Been going through the manual and the parts identifying everything and checking the fit of parts. Only big issue I've noted is that the wing tubes are way too tight - need some work here. I know this comes as a big shock to the guys that have built an ESM kit before. ;) ;)

I should have the retracts and TwinSync tomorrow with some engines and servos arriving next week. Still need to order two props, two prop nuts, two pilots, receiver .......

Geez, it's easy to spend money in this hobby. ;D ;D ;D

Wing tubes too tight!!!!!!! No way Steve.....can't be, not with ESM. Well, chuck it in a lathe and use some 80 grit paper - that'll fix it, and your lungs too....

Hey that's a design feature. It's there to prevent the wings from falling off when you forget to put the wing bolts in, right Al ?

;D

Well, I'd like to say I'm slaving away building my new plane but, since my motors and servos won't arrive until late this week, I decided to take a break and head to Las Vegas - sitting in Caesar's Palace right now thinking about heading to Planet Hollywood and the Pleasure Pit for a brew. ;D ;D

awwww, thats just too darn bad Steve.....  [smiley=beer.gif] By the time you get home you'll have glass elbow and dice shoulder, AND you'll likely complain because the plane doesn't get done..... >:(   the suffering our bridge repair guys go through.. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Actually, it's only because of my extreme degree of dedication to the NS traveling public that I even agree to come to this convention and try to learn new ways to increase the safety on our roads for our citizens. ;) ;)

I HAVE been working on the plane - retracts are in and working, all hinging is done and I have glued a couple of louvers to the wings. Pictures when I get back.

Very Jealous....... I bet the weather is terrible down there, and the drinks are warm, and the clubs are all dull, and the show's suck.
Bring us back lots of cards from the guy's that stand on the street corner's  :o

Glen wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 9:58pm:

Bring us back lots of cards from the guy's that stand on the street cOorner's  :o

Glen - "Sergio" says hi and mentioned something about his sister. You know what he's talking about??? ::)

Yep........... Remember what happens in Vegas stay's in Vegas!

;)

Glen wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 10:44pm:

Yep........... Remember what happens in Vegas stay's in Vegas! ;)

Actually that expression is no longer relevant to today's internetized and connected populous...it now reads "what happens in Vegas goes on Facebook".

I have a strict no cellphone policy when I'm around (this includes national as well as international locations) . I will remind everyone again in June 15  ;D

much too late for that Glen - your family has already seen the video....

and check Mytube.2ht79sK34%**/piss*d\24pk/r##um/97stagger@xc    ::)

think I got that right...

try again Fingers

Mytube.2ht79sK34%**/pott*d\24pk/r##um/97stagger@xc

that's better..  ;)

Hmmmmmm.........still doesn't work for me.

ooooops you're quite right - seems that tape got pulled.... yet another Margaree joke is censored.... ;D ;D ;D

Bomber is coming along ever so slowly. Getting down to a shorter list of things to complete. Next task is to get the electronics hooked up for the engines and bolt them in. Belly pan needs to be mounted after the battery tray is secured - still thinking about this.

No cockpits this summer - running out of time.  ;) Three-bladed props are just for show right now - break in will be done with a couple of two-bladed wood props .

Things I have learned:
1) working with an ESM product feels about the same as shoving bamboo shoots under your fingernails - several club members may disagree  ;)
2) two engines are exactly twice the problems but three times the work
3) no matter how big a plane you are building, it is a guarantee that there will be at least one area where you cannot get your hand.
4) did I mention I don't like ESM?
5) I am so glad I started making my own servo leads several years ago ($$$$$)
6) cell phones take crappy pictures
7) ESM is ... oh yeah, I already mentioned them, didn't I?

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Steve
She's looking Beautiful, I can't wait to hear those two engines syncing up. Are you setting a date for the maiden ? I'll be sure to bring a camera.
I don't think you'll find anybody here that will disagree with you about ESM\KMP kits.

Very nice Steve.  Love the Nose Art!!

Bruce

Looking real good Steve. When are you figuring the maiden will be? May/June?

She's a beauty!  Looking forward to flying escort. :)

Looking good Steve! Now you have to take a few weeks off just to recover from the ESM factor.

take care

Dan M

WOW!! That looks cool. I remember getting up onside a B-25 at an air show when I was a young teen. Tighter than one would think for a fair size plane. Perhaps that is part of the issue getting your big paws in there ;)

Quote from above:

1) working with an ESM product feels about the same as shoving bamboo shoots under your fingernails - several club members may disagree

actually, Dan and I thought much the same, as long as we lit the bamboo shoots...... :'(

otherwise looking real good Steve..

Well, as some know, the B-25 made it to an actual flying field on August 4th and they can attest that it actually exists ( Hurricanes on the other hand.... :D ;)).

Had the engines running (ooooh, the sound of two engines was great), made multiple tweeks and worked out some minor problems. Just before getting the guts up to actually try a take-off, three of the eleven Power HD 1501 servos on board decided to fail at the same time - two flaps and one elevator). >:( >:( >:(

Tested one of the failed servos on the bench and it started to catch fire right before my eyes - very impressive. >:( All servos have now been pulled from the plane. Replacement servos have been ordered but it may be a few weeks before delivery.

Oh well, it was a start and I learned a few important things about the plane in the process. 1) Damn plane won't slow down on asphalt (think I'll like grass better ;D) and 2) with one engine out, I will have to just put the other at idle and leave it there and land. :) :)

Can't wait to see this project Steve.  What model Savox servos have you decided to go with?

Bruce

administrator wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Can't wait to see this project Steve.  What model Savox servos have you decided to go with? Bruce

SC-0253MG. They have metal gears, are digital and have a torque of 83.3 @ 6.0 volts. Designed for 30cc planes but they will work well on the B-25 - control surfaces are actually quite small. Biggest surface would be the flaps and I will have one servo to each of the four sections.

Hopefully they are not self-igniting like the Power HD's. ;D ;D

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Nice and at $28.70cdn at Tthunderbolt, a good price.

Steve Mosher wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Well, as some know, the B-25 made it to an actual flying field on August 4th and they can attest that it actually exists ( Hurricanes on the other hand.... :D ;)).

according to the weather channel there are at least 2 hurricanes on the go right now, so nya, nya, nya...... and RMA. >:(

Look on the bright side Steve, better then the servos failing in the air  ;) and or catching fire up there!!!  :-[

Looking forward to seeing your B25 fly!

Dan

Fingers wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

[quote author=58464458434E592B0 link=1324580475/48#48 date=1344961361]Well, as some know, the B-25 made it to an actual flying field on August 4th and they can attest that it actually exists ( Hurricanes on the other hand.... :D ;)).

according to the weather channel there are at least 2 hurricanes on the go right now, so nya, nya, nya...... and RMA. >:(

Look on the bright side Steve, better then the servos failing in the air  ;) and or catching fire up there!!!  :-[/quote]

You are right about that, Sandy. I think I've figured out what happened - after sitting in an ESM fuse for a few months, they caught the ESM virus. ;D

well that's a real possibility Steve - often thought the things were full of contagion.....so my take on ESM is

they start as SNAFU

move on to FUBAR

progress to TLAR

but always just fall a tad short of the stage of   T.F. Bundy 

Back in business!!! Might actually see this plane at a field near you yet. ;D

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man, if only we had a local hobby shop as well stocked.... :-?

you listening Smurf????  ;D

Good stuff Steve, better safe then sorry!

golly Steve, I didn't know you were in the air already


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZowexXfK_Ao&feature=em-share_video_user

Fingers wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 12:30pm:

golly Steve, I didn't know you were in the air already http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZowexXfK_Ao&feature=em-share_video_user

Now you know why I am looking at such a big trailer... ;D ;D ;D

jeez I dunno - tail would only stick out about mmmmmmmmmm 10 feet or so  >:(

sounds right  some nice tho..... does your have the 2 Moki 400 radials??

Post lots of updates and pictures....please  :)

Hey Steve:

Did you get a chance to do the cockpit this winter?  Have you decided when the maiden will be?

Bruce

hmmmm ... no cockpits  >:( >:(

the maiden will happen once the spring mud dries up. I may bring it down though to run some more fuel through the engines. if all goes as it usually does, the actual maiden will be unplanned - if it feels right, I'll take off. :) :)

The B-25 flies!!! On Saturday, after a bit of gentle coaxing (yeah, right) and a few hiccups (what do you mean - I have to fuel this thing up?), with Mr. Coolen at the controls, the B-25 had her maiden flight. Despite a serious trim problem (who knew a 95" B-25 could do a loop? ::)), Al handled it well, got things under control and made some beautiful low passes down the runway.

After a few tweaks, a second flight ensued and I even flew it for a few minutes. The plane flies much better than I anticipated  ;D ;D ;D - didn't even need the Depends diapers. ;) I LIKE IT!

Looking forward to seeing it next week.

Dan

Steve Mosher wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2013 at 4:15pm:

The plane flies much better than I anticipated  ;D ;D ;D - didn't even need the Depends diapers. ;) I LIKE IT!

Speak for youself, The cleaning bill will be in  your hands next Sat at the event! ;D

Well, since I'm a sucker for punishment and since I just happen to have some B-25 retracts, 2 x 20cc gas engines, a couple of B-25 cockpits and a bunch of servos laying around, I've ordered another ESM B-25 (with a nice offer from TBM to help pay for it).

Lots of planning going into how to strengthen the center wing (can you say "carbon fibre wing tubes"?). The first one flew well and should have had many more flights on it. This one hopefully won't take two years to get to the field.

In my defense on the last one, I was ready to bring it to the field many, many times but I kept hearing forecasts that said a hurricane was due to show up at the Avon field and I didn't want to fly in the wind so I stayed home. Sadly, the forecast of a hurricane was just a myth predicated by an evil troll that is known to hang around the poop palace and it never showed up. ;D ;D ;D

Now, although the next B-25 is not scheduled to arrive until mid-November, I must get myself into the ESM building frame of mind ... Hmmm, just where did I hide that big bottle of rum? ;)

Steve Mosher wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 10:27pm:

In my defense on the last one, I was ready to bring it to the field many, many times but I kept hearing forecasts that said a hurricane was due to show up at the Avon field and I didn't want to fly in the wind so I stayed home. Sadly, the forecast of a hurricane was just a myth predicated by an evil troll that is known to hang around the poop palace and it never showed up. ;D ;D ;D   >:(

oh yeah????  >:( ;D  Actually i thought you of all people would sympathize, Steve  :violin....it's the "ESM frame of mind" that's a myth, perpetuated by evil Chinese kit designers who plan to take over the Western world by beating our collective brain power into a porridge-like mush by intermixing benign terms like "ARF"  [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] with corrupting, mind numbing, evilsadomasichismic (ESM get it ?) promises of ..... :Naaah :byebye :excited   :dead_horse :dead_horse :dead_horse

ahem......on a lighter note, we are getting into hurricane season, and once the engine gods deliver the promised new "big block" we should be pretty close to starting to get things almost ready to look at finishing the project - maybe by the time B25 x 2 is in the air  :lalala

;D ;D ;D

Well, being the incredibly patient guy I am, I waited and waited and waited (since August) for the replacement B-25 to arrive from Troy Build Models ... terrible customer service. They kept moving the delivery date and never once initiated the notification. I always had to go to them. I finally gave up and cancelled the order on the weekend. I would definitely not recommend Troy Built Models. >:( >:(

I had also ordered a set of 4.5" wheels/brakes for the B-25 from Robarts in November. No contact for a month until I emailed them. I was told they would be shipped the end of January. No contact from them so I emailed them mid-February - no response. After waiting until the past weekend with no response, I cancelled the order. I would definitely not recommend buying direct from Robarts.
>:( >:(

What's going on with this hobby and customer service??? >:( >:(

It's not all bad though. Found a slight problem with one of the stabs on my jet on Saturday. Emailed the dealer in the afternoon - had a reply from Altecare with 1 hour. They had forwarded my email to the manufacturer and we would see what they recommended. Early Monday morning, I had a reply from Aviation Design apologizing for the defect, directions on how I could fix or an offer for them to fix the problem or they would replace both stabs no charge. I would definitely recommend Altecare and Aviation Design. :) :)

Guess this means I have to drag the F-7F back onto the building table (I think I've set a record for the world's longest build).

Oh boy oh boy oh boy :)

That sucks Steve..... both Troy Built and Robart would definately go on my Nay Nay list (crap I'm going to miss John Pinette)....

I do have to buy robart tho because I need some bleed valve needles from the main valve (who knew you had to loktite those too!!)..

On the other hand, that F-7F is one sweet plane (even if you did start it back when the real one was flying..between you and me, we make a pretty slow pair..... :Cheers

Know what you mean, Sandy. Robarts does have some good stuff. I'll buy from dealers if its in stock. No backorderers though.

Hi Steve:

Should be a great plane.

Don't let any of these guys fly it, they might forget to put those great wheels down.

See you when it is dry and warm out.

LDB 8-)

LDB wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

See you when it is dry and warm out.

I believe that's booked for July 23/14

>:(

Another warbird coming to our field.  Way cool.

just wish the run ways were a bit smoother...my landings are tough enough with out adding insult to injury

Fingers wrote on May 10^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

just wish the run ways were a bit smoother...my landings are tough enough with out adding insult to injury

Sandy,  you haven't been out to the field yet.  Everett has them rolled like a golf green.  :violin :tongueout